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Old March 5th, 2011, 03:09 AM   #1841
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London Overground is the name given to a number of urban rail services - plus the LU East London Line - which have now been brought together under a single brand and are managed by Transport for London.

'Overground' was used to help differentiate the new network, which was also fully-integrated into TFL's network, as being separate from the rest of the capital's rail suburban rail services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Overground

Mind you, most Londonders call the Undergound "The Tube" - including those lines built by cut-and-cover as well as the bits that extend out towards the suburbs and are above ground.
So its a commuter rail serving the suburbs?
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Old March 5th, 2011, 12:28 PM   #1842
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So its a commuter rail serving the suburbs?
Pretty much, although LOROL specialises in orbital routes at present, the only direct route from the suburbs to Central London is Watford Junction to Euston (although the East London Line is arguably a commuter route as Shoreditch High Street station is just outside The City of London).
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Old March 5th, 2011, 05:06 PM   #1843
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I suppose, you've already seen this, but just in case:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/18070.aspx

TFL will be uploading videos here, whenever closures will take place:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TransportforLondon

I think it's a great idea to explain commuters why these closures are necessary.

Here are some interesting questions answered by TFL:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...18072.aspx#qu1
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Just got on the central line this morning to go to work and the train which pulled up (No 21) had its last 2 carriages fitted with brand new BLUE seats and were much firmer than the ones it is replacing. Now the article I posted a few pages ago talked of a refurbishment of the central line taking place this summer, I take it that would take the form of train re-fits rather than just new seats? Are we likely to see new floors, new paintwork and so on?


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Old March 7th, 2011, 11:14 AM   #1849
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I take it that would take the form of train re-fits rather than just new seats? Are we likely to see new floors, new paintwork and so on?
Sadly I think it's just the moquette
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The Jubilee Line delays have been explained here numerous times, I don't know why so much surprise from Face81.
My surprise stems from the fact that we never get a normal service on Monday morning's. Each week, without fail, engineering works over run causing chaos on the line on Monday's.

Don't get me wrong, the Tube network is probably the best in the world and is extremely extensive... It's just a shame that we have to suffer so often for what appears to be very little in the way of improvements
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My surprise stems from the fact that we never get a normal service on Monday morning's. Each week, without fail, engineering works over run causing chaos on the line on Monday's.

Don't get me wrong, the Tube network is probably the best in the world and is extremely extemsive...It's just a shame that we have to suffer so often for what appears to be very little in the way of improvements
Well, let's still plenty of things to improve, why not wait and see if it's worth it or not? .
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Well, let's still plenty of things to improve, why not wait and see if it's worth it or not? .
I guess....

Read this in the Standard last night....

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Boris Johnson and Ken Livingstone clash over Underground delays

Pippa Crerar, City Hall Editor
7 Mar 2011

Boris Johnson and Ken Livingstone clashed over delays on the Tube today as the battle for City Hall intensified.

The Mayor was urged to "get a grip" on Underground services after figures showed a huge rise in delays and stations closures.

But Mr Johnson hit back at his Labour rival, claiming Mr Livingstone supported the strikes that had slowed the network. The Tube is set to be a key flashpoint in the run-up to next year's rematch between Mr Johnson and Mr Livingstone.

Transport for London's own figures - released by Labour - revealed that passengers were spending 10 per cent more time on delayed trains than a year ago, rising to 33 per cent on the Central line.

Station closures had increased by 1,250 per cent on the District line and 100 per cent on the Northern line while the Jubilee line suffered regular signal delays and Victoria line users faced problems with doors failing to close.

Mr Livingstone said: "The increased number of delays and closures on the Tube are causing huge frustration and inconvenience for millions of Londoners. It's time for Boris Johnson to roll his sleeves up and get a grip."


The figures piled pressure on Mr Johnson to deal with problems, including improving communications to passengers and tackling weekend engineering works over-running into Monday mornings.

Daniel Moylan, the Mayor's deputy at TfL, said: "The Livingstone campaign is guilty of extraordinary hypocrisy in complaining about a degradation of service that was caused by the very strikes that they supported.

"They claim it is Boris's fault but the official figures from TfL show that without the strikes there would have been an improvement in performance."

Mr Johnson's team accused Labour of "cherry-picking" a period - between 14 November and 12 December last year - when performance dipped solely because of two strikes.

A spokesman for Boris Johnson's campaign said: "While Boris Johnson fought for and is now delivering the biggest upgrade of the Underground network ever, Ken Livingstone and his union backers threaten to bring misery to hard-working Londoners by engineering strikes as a callous election ploy to get back into City Hall.

"It is pure hypocrisy for Mr Livingstone to deliberately mislead commuters by cherry-picking a period when performance dipped solely because of two strikes forced on London by his militant friends.

"These strikes came at a time when a record number of journeys were made on the Tube - more than across the whole of Britain's national rail network - and while thousands were going about their Christmas shopping.

"The majority of London Underground workers did not vote for them and lost pay because of them. But Mr Livingstone and his team supported them, his running mate has even appeared on the picket line, showing his loyalty lies not with Londoners and Tube workers but with his union backers."

A TfL spokesman added: "These figures are completely wrong, as they compare one month which was disrupted by strike action with another [a year before] which was not."

TfL issued more figures showing the strikes over job losses and ticket office closures added one second to the excess journey time last autumn, which meant performance fell below the level of the year before.

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The increased number of delays doesn't surprise me, they are probably at the peak of the upgrade. The Northern Line is the next to undergo upgrade.
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More changes and fewer trains in service on the Jubilee Line? Yikes!

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Race to get troubled Jubilee line on track for Olympics


8 March 2011

The Jubilee line, beset with problems despite an upgrade costing hundreds of millions of pounds, will undergo major changes to ensure it runs properly in time for the Olympics.

Train maintenance is being taken back "in-house", away from private sector giant Alstom. Transport for London invoked a contract clause to end a multi million-pound deal with the firm.

Already used by more than 650,000 passengers a day, the line will be a main route to next year's Games, linking central London with the Stratford stadium.

But a new £100 million computerised signalling system which allows trains to communicate with each other is not working properly. Trains have been stranded while the system is rebooted. London Underground performance figures show the number of Jubilee line delays from November 14 to December 12 last year increased from seven in the same four-week period in 2009 to 21. There was also a small cut in the number of trains in service.

TfL said the decision to end the Alstom agreement had "nothing to do" with signalling problems but was intended to give the authority "full control over fleet management and costs". A spokesman said it would "help LU to provide a full, reliable service at an important period in the line upgrade".

He said the year-on-year performance figures were inaccurate because they included a network-wide 24-hour strike in November. But RMT union leader Bob Crow said: "Passengers have put up with months of chaos. The collapse of this contract should be the final nail in the coffin of Tube privatisation."

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London Tube may run 24 hours for Olympics

London Underground officials are considering the option of keeping the Tube open 24 hours during the Olympics next year. The network currently handles about 3 million passengers on an average day in London and the upcoming 2012 Olympics are expected to put additional strain on the system.

Transport for London (aka TfL) has in response already designated a team to set out staffing and other issues for the event. Meanwhile, union heads have said that they expect a fight for overtime wages for night workers should the system remain open around the clock.

Bob Crow, RMT’s general secretary, said that the ‘hard fact’ was that Tube operators don’t yet have union agreements in place regarding staffing levels, the volume of service during the games and operating hours. He added that ongoing job cuts for the system’s maintenance workers meant that the Tube was already prone to operating problems during normal operations and this could only be worsened by an additional million passengers per day.

However a TfL has said in response that organisers were ‘on track’ for improvements in anticipation of the games. He added that they were confident the the network could successfully support passengers during the event though added that operating hours had not yet been finalised.
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Quite why the tube needs to be 24h for the Olympics, beats me! It's not as if events will finish really late, or start really early.

It's a nice-to-have, that the tube isn't able to do other than the odd day when it's needed (New Years'), even without unions and staffing levels - simple maintenance decrees it.

If necessary, have the tube run a bit later during the Olympics.
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The Olympics are not exclusively about sports events, the city in general will have more traffic, more people going out at night, olympic parties, etc. It could help to drain the crowds better.
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Just got on the central line this morning to go to work and the train which pulled up (No 21) had its last 2 carriages fitted with brand new BLUE seats and were much firmer than the ones it is replacing. Now the article I posted a few pages ago talked of a refurbishment of the central line taking place this summer, I take it that would take the form of train re-fits rather than just new seats? Are we likely to see new floors, new paintwork and so on?

It is a 'refresh' - internally only the seats are being rebuilt and fitted with the new standard moquette. The bulk of the work is structural on the cars - new window seals (look for the 'polo mint' frames on the outside) and on some cars, new car ends. It is designed to stop water ingress and corrosion. There are also a couple of cars experimentally fitted with LED lighting as a trial.
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