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Old August 20th, 2013, 04:26 PM   #21
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What are the criteria though? I would vote not just on size and density but also build and aesthetic quality of the buildinggs that make up the skyline. So for me London, Paris and Frankfurt, for example, would always rank above So Paulo.
Well, Sao Paulo is just an example. You could replace it with any city for the same idea of inaccuracy beyond the Top 15-20 spots.

Personally, I think a skyline should be judged a LOT more than just height. Things like density, clustering, physical size, diversity, nighttime lighting, and natural setting should all play a big role in judging a skyline.

For example, I would almost definitely rank Chicago above Shanghai in my personal Top 10. Shanghai has taller buildings and might one day be a better overall skyline, but I feel that currently Chicago has a more cohesive concentration, a better natural setting, and a greater diversity of buildings.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 04:29 PM   #22
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That's an awful lot of work, but it's much appreciated. I've been hoping for a detailed and well thought out statistical analysis of the various SSC lists for a while. Well done.

Regarding over rated/under rated/regional bias. It's interesting to see how one's own list compares to how SSC people rate cities to see if you have a regional bias of your own. Looks like I over rate Calgary and Montreal as I have them both in the high 30s. I rank Toronto 6th or 7th and Vancouver around 28th so precisely where SSC people put them.

That said, there are some wildly bizarre placements on there. People seem to know which cities those are.
It was a fair bit of work, but I shared your sentiment and was very curious to see what an overall Top 10 list might look like for SSC.

That being said, I would love to one day expand the scope of this with an online poll where people choose their Top 10 from a list of 50 cities or so and submit it. I think if people don't have other peoples' lists to look at, there will be slightly different results. We could also have it a bit more standardized in terms of entries too.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #23
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whta a pity that there is no Shenzhen or Guangzhou in the top 10
It is not just about quantity, it's also about quality.... I think that top 10 is perfectly fine.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 05:06 PM   #24
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I don't understand how Sydney, Tokyo and Kuala Lumpur comes ahead of Guangzhou...but I'm not surprised as very few Chinese visit this website. Many people don't even know about Guangzhou's existence, and majority of those who know about the city have little idea about its skyline. Such a shame...
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Old August 20th, 2013, 06:08 PM   #25
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well we have to admit it.. we still have that bias against developing countries' skyline.
Developed Cities naturally have an advantage when it comes to popularity.


For what it's worth, this list is more about skyline popularity rather than being the "best".
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Old August 20th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #26
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Which is exactly why i didn't participate in this.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 01:57 AM   #27
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For what it's worth, this list is more about skyline popularity rather than being the "best".
That's more of less the same thing. If something is popular, doesn't that make it the 'best'?
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Old August 21st, 2013, 02:03 AM   #28
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Old August 21st, 2013, 02:18 AM   #29
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That's more of less the same thing. If something is popular, doesn't that make it the 'best'?
not always.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 02:53 AM   #30
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Honestly, how many best 'lists' mirror your own taste? Maybe 1%, if that.

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Yes, that's why 'best' is subjective. It's just someone's opinion. If people have deemed something #1, it's best in the eyes of society. Whether you and I think it's 'best' is a whole other story.
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Sorry, but "best" is constituted by subjective personal preference, not a label for something that a majority faction favors. At least, that's my opinion.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 02:56 AM   #32
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Well we're all entitled to personal opinions, aren't we? The dictionary definition of 'best' would indicate that something is the most excellent, effective, or desirable. If something is a #1 seller, it certainly fits that definition in the broader sense. That said, what I consider 'best' music is largely summarized in my youtube account and would likely be wildly different than someone else's. Best differs from person to person based on personal taste and what we value.
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whta a pity that there is no Shenzhen or Guangzhou in the top 10
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\off-topic: There is a 'Best' in the Netherlands .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best,_Netherlands
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Old August 21st, 2013, 04:16 PM   #35
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It is not just about quantity, it's also about quality.... I think that top 10 is perfectly fine.
but I don't think that cities such as Singapore .Tokyo, Kuala Lumpur, Sydney can beat Guangzhou and Shenzhen。Not only the quality of skyscrapers but also CBDs and the skylines

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Perhaps those 3 cities are too high, but the rest are fine.
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Well I think the only reasons that Asian cities are being underrated because they started being best the last 10- 20 years with industrial booming. Esp. to guangzhou and Shenzhen. Although Shenzhen is like best at this but the city was only a fishing village in the 1970s. Guangzhou could be 2 reasons. 1st Europeans and Americans known Guangzhou as Canton for a pretty long time so if the name was still kept now it might not be as underrated as now. The other is Zhujiang CBD's talll buildings came up after 2000. They are probably many other reasons but this is my opinion of this.
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How about at street level? are they appealing?
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At street level Guangzhou's pretty cool, the new CBD is trying out something new:


www.lifeofguangzhou.com


All car, rail and parking is underground

http://bbs.home.news.cn

http://pic.qnpic.com

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www.motiancity.com




and on a larger plan the whole riverfront is being landscaped - but on an epic scale


www.globalphotos.org


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Old August 22nd, 2013, 07:22 PM   #40
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That street level looks like a horrendous nightmare without a car. Its like the developers never made it out of the 1970s.
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