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Old August 22nd, 2013, 07:31 PM   #41
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I think at Street level European and American cities take the crown...
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 07:37 PM   #42
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That street level looks like a horrendous nightmare without a car. Its like the developers never made it out of the 1970s.
I guess that is why they are building an underground rail....
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 08:54 PM   #43
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That street level looks like a horrendous nightmare without a car. Its like the developers never made it out of the 1970s.
It reminds me of La Defense in the sense that it looks very good, but it's not the type of place you're going to frequent on foot. It's for post card shots, but not on a human scale at grade. You'd need to walk 20 minutes just to find a store.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 09:02 PM   #44
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I feel like US cities and especially European ones are overrated, while Asian ones are underrated.
Asian ones are a bit too much of the same. Especially the Chinese cities. At least, that's my opinion.

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Old August 22nd, 2013, 09:06 PM   #45
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That street level looks like a horrendous nightmare without a car. Its like the developers never made it out of the 1970s.
It's pedestrian friendly. What's against that?

The contrary is true. Most cities are crowded by cars. I think you mix up abandoned and empty plaza's with car-free places.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 09:17 PM   #46
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It's pedestrian friendly. What's against that?
Is it though? Having huge wide pedestrian paths with lots of greenery is great, but what if you want a corner store? Pedestrian friendly also means you don't have to walk 20 minutes just to find basic things.

Ever been to a zoo? It's much the same. After an hour you're exhausted because everything is a huge hike and you just want to hop in a golf cart. Except here there aren't any tigers and elephants exhibits along the way.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 10:01 PM   #47
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I wouldnt worry about China losing its famed streetlife or corner stores - every side street is packed with stalls, mon n pop stores and vendors, from brand new Shenzhen to overplanned, boulevard-mad Beijing. This is the same for Guangzhou where the vast majority of the city is still very Chinese at street level. It's basically the poorer side of the cities, but in a decidedly good and vibrant way. Also, bear in mind central Guangzhou with 94,000 people averaging per sq mile is about one third denser than Manhattan.

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Old August 22nd, 2013, 10:42 PM   #48
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Asian ones are a bit too much of the same. Especially the Chinese cities. At least, that's my opinion.
But with London being ahead of Guangzhou with such a major difference in size is nonsense. London has a few nice small buildings, but Guangzhou also has some really nice, much larger ones and many more buildings.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 11:23 PM   #49
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I wouldnt worry about China losing its famed streetlife or corner stores - every side street is packed with stalls, mon n pop stores and vendors, from brand new Shenzhen to overplanned, boulevard-mad Beijing.
Posting a flood of photos showing that vibrant streets do exist doesn't negate one little bit that this area is vastly lacking when it comes to that. The issue is the area that you featured. That streets packed with stalls are to be found a 30 minute walk away is little consolation if you're standing on this stretch below:

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At street level Guangzhou's pretty cool, the new CBD is trying out something new:


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I think at Street level European and American cities take the crown...
It depends which American cities you are talking about. NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco... yes, excellent street levels. (throw in Montreal for best street level in Canada, since it's basically a weekend destination for us Boston folk) But on the flip side, many cities (particularly in the south) have absolutely terrible downtowns from a pedestrian standpoint. The newer ones especially, like Charlotte, just don't offer a true urban experience.

The main juxtaposition is with the cities that were established before cars, vs the cities that were built to cater to them. Night and day, really.
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Old August 23rd, 2013, 08:18 AM   #51
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I'm not talking about just pedestrian friendly cities, what I meant was that architecturally speaking American/Canadian cities tend to look neat, cleaner, nice and everything in order. It's like if every building is merged with the street and not boring (I'm talking about downtowns since this thread is about skylines aka downtowns).
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At street level Shenzhen's pretty cool too
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Posting a flood of photos showing that vibrant streets do exist doesn't negate one little bit that this area is vastly lacking when it comes to that. The issue is the area that you featured. That streets packed with stalls are to be found a 30 minute walk away is little consolation if you're standing on this stretch below:
Actually the central axis still has three surviving informal 'villages' on it's sides. Anyhoo it's not different from Canary Wharf or Lower Manhattan where neither do you find many corner stores or 'mon n pop' businesses.
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This is Huangpu Dadao village - check out the density



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Xian village - currently mounting a spirited campaign to survive but doubtful how long it will last
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Is that smog in Shenzhen?
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YES (though yeah it could be heat/ humidity haze too). The area is the worlds' factory base, though now competing with Chongqing .
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That place looks alot like Indonesian cities .
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It looks depressing :S
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Actually the central axis still has three surviving informal 'villages' on it's sides. Anyhoo it's not different from Canary Wharf or Lower Manhattan where neither do you find many corner stores or 'mon n pop' businesses.
Perhaps Guangzhou can hold on to those 'villages' rather than emulating less than ideal practices seen elsewhere.
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