UPDATE on Skyscraper in Frederikshavn / DENMARK

[ch1le]

indeed, it's a very pretty building , will be my favourite 2 (in denmark) when completed

[Þróndeimr]

Nice design, and welcome arkoh...

The design is really enjoyable, and it reminds me of ET in Vilnius, though i hope this design is to become even nicer. I enjoy those wooden plates, and it may fit perfectly to the tower, but i've seen many exemples of poor work around that. (Is that a bit awefull to say? )

[sdes]

Great job, I like that tower very much.

Are you sure??? I mean... Denmark used to have those kind of regulations too! But for some years back, we changed to a more flexible approach to the amount of glass in a buildings facade! And when you think of it... it really doesn't make any sense to only look at the percentage of the facade that is glass! I mean... Nowadays, we can produce glass that has the same insulation values as an entire brickwall! It's completely redicules to look at it that way, without takin everthing into consideration! I can hardly believe that the laws are still like that in Finland! For what reason???...

Yes, I think that he is right. There is that kind of regulation in Finland, my relative architect Tuomo Siitonen told me that.

[arkoh]

Originally Posted by Christian

The design is really enjoyable, and it reminds me of ET in Vilnius

Now I noticed NorthStar77 mentioned that as well... Dont know the building! I've tried to look it up, but without succes! Anyone outthere with a couple of fotos to spare??

[sdes]

Here's the link:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=140573

[Þróndeimr]

Originally Posted by arkoh

Now I noticed NorthStar77 mentioned that as well... Dont know the building! I've tried to look it up, but without succes! Anyone outthere with a couple of fotos to spare??

Yeah, you can see images at sdes's emporis.com link. The towers looks quite the same, the shape is quite identical, and there has been used some orange colors which is also used at Fredrikshavn Tower...

Btw, the roof part (see image at the botton) on Fredrikshavn tower may become "quite" horrible actually! As i've seen from many other cylinder formed structures that they has the same form of roof-top. A bit boring, would be nice with something a bit more spectacular up there!

[Oberleutnant]

Are you sure??? I mean... Denmark used to have those kind of regulations too! But for some years back, we changed to a more flexible approach to the amount of glass in a buildings facade! And when you think of it... it really doesn't make any sense to only look at the percentage of the facade that is glass! I mean... Nowadays, we can produce glass that has the same insulation values as an entire brickwall! It's completely redicules to look at it that way, without takin everthing into consideration! I can hardly believe that the laws are still like that in Finland! For what reason???...

As sdes said, this is true. However, these regulations only apply to residential buildings. An office building can be as glassy as possible: an example

Funnily enough, this was the winning proposal for a new high-rise in Helsinki, made by the Danish architect firm 3xNielsen. Among the reasons why the current design according to which they are building the tower looks like this were the regulations regarding the use of glass in residentials.

[Monkey]

For quick reference, John currently sports a segment of the Europatower in his avatar:

[mlm]

WOW, why didn't I see this before now!

First of all, welcome to the forum arkoh, what a pleasure to an the actual architect here among us to share information

And about the tower: I really like it. It's like a mix between Rica Forum Hotel in Stavanger, Europa Tower in Vilnius and Victoria-Haus in Düsseldorf. I'm also a bit sceptical about the top, but I guess you would have to see it in real life before we can judge it. It could also work out really nice though

The facade itself looks just awesome IMO. I think it would be a bit too boring and "office'like" if it didn't have the orange panels. The last rendering in your first post is stunning, altough it looks like it is 200-300 meters above ground

I guess the 13th this month will be an exiting day for you. If it turns out as a "no" (which has happend too many times in the past here with highrise proposals) you are more than welcome to bring the building here to Herning.

[Hviid]

really nice design, really nice building... too bad you cant make 2 of those exact buildings and put them right beside eachother ... that would look awesome ... twin towers are always nicer then single towers ... but still ... great job

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by arkoh

Now I noticed NorthStar77 mentioned that as well... Dont know the building! I've tried to look it up, but without succes! Anyone outthere with a couple of fotos to spare??

Upon seeing the design of your building for Frederikshavn, arkoh, the Europa Tower in Vilnius was the first thing that came to my mind as well.

It's a shame that the forum is constantly "pruned!" We've had many glorious threads with fabulous pictures of the Europa Tower, both during the construction phase and its opening, and also afterwards. Unfortunately, those threads are gone ...

In the meantime, of course, Vilnius' Europa Tower has become a familiar feature in the city skyline. I saw that building "live" during my wonderful visit to Vilnius, which included meeting some delightful forumers from that city , last summer.


@mlm: isn't this thrilling!!!!

[wolkenkrabber]

it l,ooks liek a nice land lean lipstick tower, it reminds me a bit of KST-residense tower

[Swede]

^that'd be KRT
But, yeah, these cylidrical residential towers to resembel eachother quite a bit. There are distinct diffrences tho (size, height, glass-iness, colors, roof shape...).
NEway I like this shape for towers, it's just the base that can be a bit bad for the urbanity in some cases (when the architects get the idea that the more open are around it the better - usually just creates dead concrete plazas).

[arkoh]

Originally Posted by mlm

And about the tower: I really like it. It's like a mix between Rica Forum Hotel in Stavanger, Europa Tower in Vilnius and Victoria-Haus in Düsseldorf.

Well I have looked through the different Buildings you guys compare it to, and well I can sort of see where you guys are coming from, and for some of the buildings more than others... but the only thing I stumpled over and that cought my attention, was this foto, that clearly shows the most striking different in the buildingshape of a round tower (ET and Victoria-Haus) to a more elliptic shape of the tower (Frederikshavn and RicaForum Hotel)!... http://www.emporis.com/dk/il/im/?id=166772.
Dont really like the tower itself... its too closed, dark, hostile and office like for my liking, but the shape makes it alot more dynamic and makes it a more "living" building, that'll change its appearence as you move around it!

I kind of like the ET tower in Vilnius! But can't really say what it is with this tower that I am missing... well maybe there's "too much" hapening... maybe that's the problem!?? Can't really say!!! But compared to alot of other Skyscrapers, I think they have succeded pretty well with this one!

Originally Posted by mlm

I'm also a bit sceptical about the top, but I guess you would have to see it in real life before we can judge it. It could also work out really nice though

I am very much listening to all your comments and and your reservations!! Greatly appreciated! And very interesting to hear how people not involved in the project looks at the building... what they like, and what they don't like! And don't you worry... I've noticed the reservation alot of you guys are having about the top part! Will take it all into consideration as the project moves on!!

Nice illustration mlm btw... Looks great!!! And it tells me something too (since the surrounding you place the building in here, is very similar to the neighbourhood its located in, in real life... well a bit more space around it, but pretty close!)... that my thought of the copper plating realating to the Red roofs of the surrounding buildings WILL make sense! Appriciated!

Originally Posted by wolkenkrabber

it l,ooks liek a nice land lean lipstick tower

Nice one wolkenkrabber!!! Never thought of that!!! We haven't yet come up with a name for the building, maybe I should suggest "the Gigant Lipstick" to the investors and the city counsil??... Well or maybe NOT!!!

If anyone out there... Has a suggestion btw for a SUPERB name for the building!!! More than willing to listen! (I have allways thought of the name having something to do with the image of light houses along the danish coast... But can't really get it right!) Here's your chance guys...
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[arkoh]

Originally Posted by mlm

The last rendering in your first post is stunning, altough it looks like it is 200-300 meters above ground

Ohhh yeah... well It never hurts anyone to exaggerate a tiny bit you know!!!

A bit of artistic freedom I would call it!!!

[AtlanticaC5]

Originally Posted by arkoh

If anyone out there... Has a suggestion btw for a SUPERB name for the building!!! More than willing to listen! (I have allways thought of the name having something to do with the image of light houses along the danish coast... But can't really get it right!) Here's your chance guys...
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Hmm, maybe something like "Frederiksljus" (since it's in Frederikshavn), Frederikstårn or "Firetop" or something "poetic"

[Hviid]

Originally Posted by arkoh

If anyone out there... Has a suggestion btw for a SUPERB name for the building!!! More than willing to listen! (I have allways thought of the name having something to do with the image of light houses along the danish coast... But can't really get it right!) Here's your chance guys...
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hmm... Frederikstårn actually doesnt sound too bad .... What about...
Frederiksbjerg (Frederikshavn + Bjerg Arkitektur = Frederiksbjerg) ... Rævnetåret ... Skytårn / Skytåret ... if I think of anymore, i'll get back to you

[ch1le]

Frederiksbjerg is kinda tacky and might result in negative backlash form public...

[Hviid]

Originally Posted by arkoh

The project is very much still "Proposed"! Nothing has been approved yet... It is up for pre-approval on the 13th of January 2005 (as far as I remember) ....

so arkoh ... its Jan. 16th today .. have you heard anything about if its been pre-approved??

[arkoh]

Originally Posted by DLL_4ever

so arkoh ... its Jan. 16th today .. have you heard anything about if its been pre-approved??

Well Just need the final confirmation on the report I have seen on the internet from the meeting in the municipality, but apparently the project HAS got its pre-approval, from the city counsil!! The shadow animations the municipality has had done to examine the influence the building will have on its nearest suroundings has apparently shown, that the shadow from the building will only touch a couple of houses trough the year! - Their biggest fear!!

But again... Its sunday, and I cannot say for absolutely sure before I have spoken to the local authority official tomorrow, but Its definitely lookin good!!!