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Old August 22nd, 2013, 07:23 PM   #21
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Air quality in Norwegian cities:
Great you have only one red dot, my country is full of orange and red dots and we don't have mountains. On every pollution map of Europe, Benelux is in the dead center in the most polluted area

Still find it strange it is Bergen that is most polluted. There doesn't seem to be that much industry or anything. Surely cars alone don't pollute that much. Do people burn a lot of wood in stoves in Norway?
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 07:27 PM   #22
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Great you have only one red dot, my country is full of orange and red dots and we don't have mountains. Still find it strange it is Bergen that is most polluted. There doesn't seem to be that much industry or anything. Surely cars alone don't pollute that much. Do people burn a lot of wood in stoves in Norway?
People drive diesel cars and there is lot of driving that has to be done as our cities are very sprawling, and they use a lot of wood for heating. Add colder temperatures (although it does not get that cold in Bergen compared to the rest of the country) and Norwegian topography and you are left recipe for bad air quality despite it being very little land based industry left and small populations compared to elsewhere.
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I guess the wood burning adds a lot to the pollution. Cars generally don't pollute that much unless in a +10million metropolis maybe. I agree diesel cars add a lot of pollution though. We have the same problem, most people drive diesel.
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I guess the wood burning adds a lot to the pollution. Cars generally don't pollute that much unless in a +10million metropolis maybe. I agree diesel cars add a lot of pollution though. We have the same problem, most people drive diesel.
Why do they burn wood in Norway?
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 08:09 PM   #25
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Why do they burn wood in Norway?
Tradition I guess. We have lots of wood and lots of colderness and someone come up with an idea to combine the two. We have recently started to develop district heating systems though in order to get cleaner air.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 08:15 PM   #26
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Quite a lot of people like to burn wood in Belgium also and many people have a modern fire place behind glass in their living room. It's nice and cozy in winter when it freezes outside. You just can't take that away from people during long cold winters

Modern computer controlled pellet stoves are becoming more popular by the day. But they are not as cozy as a fire place.
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Did you only visit Bergen this time? You may want to look into Trondheim too on your way to Lofoten. It features Norways most impressive church along with a few dozen nice Art Nouveau buildings.

Did you take any pictures of the new tram line and some the projects being constructed while you was in Bergen?
Yeah only Bergen. I didnt take any pictures of the trams but I have a couple of the new developments, although I spent most of the time in the old town and the mountains.

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Some words to describe this city: Spectacular, colourful (despite the somtimes grey weather), cosy, picturesque, hilly

Except for the high cost of living (and the expensive alcohol ), it must be wonderful to live in this city. You can enjoy all natural elements like water, air (clean air, the fog), earth (the rocks, the slopes) and fire (uhm... maybe the warm tones of the buildings). You have both the delights of living in an important city and living in a great natural setting and near a quiet and wild natural environment. It's a very complete experience.
True that!

Yeah the alcohol is very expensive. I wonder why that is so?
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I wonder why that is so?
It's due to heavy taxes on top of already high costs. Alcohol along with tobacco, cars/transport, foreign agricultural products and a few other things have always been among the stuff the government like to tax.
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It's due to heavy taxes on top of already high costs. Alcohol along with tobacco, cars/transport, foreign agricultural products and a few other things have always been among the stuff the government like to tax.
Tobacco is one thing, but why alcohol? Did Norway have problem with drunkenness? Our 12th century friend clearly thought so lol.
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Tobacco is one thing, but why alcohol? Did Norway have problem with drunkenness? Our 12th century clearly thought so lol.
It depends on how you define problem. Alcohol have always been rather popular here just like it still is. But I have seen no signs to our heavy taxes having reduced the consumption. In fact it is currently close to a all time high (the black line) despite ever-increasing taxes and various measurements being introduced to reduce the availability of alcohol - like not selling it in stores after 20:00 on weekdays and 18:00 on Saturdays:



But we in Norway loves to either tax and ban stuff (alcohol used to be illegal here like in the US before they started taxing it) so I don't expect it go away anytime soon.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 10:25 PM   #34
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It depends on how you define problem.
Drunken brawls in the streets, people puking their guts out on street corners and so on.

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Drunken brawls in the streets, people puking their guts out on street corners and so on.
That's quite common here, yes. My impression is that Norway and the rest of the Nordics have pretty similar drinking culture to the UK, which means lots of binge drinking each weekend. Wikpedia mentions that:
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It shows that having high taxes or strict rules on alcohol use only drive the youth to see drinking as a kick to 'brake' the rules. Alcohol use in Poland for instance is high, same for Belgium, yet no strict rules and cheap alcohol available everywhere, yet people know how to drink decent proportions of alcohol spread across the night, instead of drinking a whole bottle in 30mins. You'll see lots of intoxicated youth asswell as older people, but people don't commenly drink to the point they have to puke.

Alcohol consumption in nordic countries is lower compaired to the rest of Europe, mainly because older people don't drink as much I guess.
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That's quite common here, yes. My impression is that Norway and the rest of the Nordics have pretty similar drinking culture to the UK, which means lots of binge drinking each weekend. Wikpedia mentions that:
Oh right. I bet it gets worse the further north you go.
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Really beautiful! A shame it is so far from southern Scandinavia...
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Great new shots, and from a country we don't see a lot of photos from here! Really enjoyed the tour. A lot of the houses are pretty similar to the Georgian style adapted with wooden boards in 17th and 18th century New England, except with a steeper roofline and different roof tiles.
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Really beautiful! A shame it is so far from southern Scandinavia...
Is it? How long is it by train from Malmo?

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Great new shots, and from a country we don't see a lot of photos from here! Really enjoyed the tour. A lot of the houses are pretty similar to the Georgian style adapted with wooden boards in 17th and 18th century New England, except with a steeper roofline and different roof tiles.
Yeah I thought they looked somewhat like the ones you find in New England. Very pretty!

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