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Old September 6th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #41
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I would include the HST between Madrid and Barcelona .

Anyway, I hope the Guangzhou and Hong Kong clusters to be a single one in a few years. I would call it the "Pearl river delta megacluster". Another one could be developing near Shanghai.
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Old September 7th, 2013, 03:42 AM   #42
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PATH is metro.

Besides, hasn't MARC just decided to adopt weekend service?
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Old September 7th, 2013, 10:13 AM   #43
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You are right, I've removed MARC from the list after checking the schedules. MARC Penn Line runs just hourly except for the rush hours. They wrote it's a commuter rail and I forgot that not every commuter rail is a commuter metro.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 07:16 AM   #44
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All city pages now also contain the entire 'Hopping' cluster the city belongs to, e. g. Cologne page.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 02:19 PM   #45
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Stadtbahn Heilbronn does develop as a (more or less) independent but connected system out of Stadtbahn Karlsruhe.

Metro Madrid does have a few Stadtbahn-like lines ("Metro Ligero") in a number of suburbs, question is how do define those.
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Metro Sur (L12) connecting cities in the south of Madrid seems like almost independend system. So its connected to the Madrid Metro.
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Old September 14th, 2013, 01:05 AM   #47
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Metro Sur (L12) connecting cities in the south of Madrid seems like almost independend system. So its connected to the Madrid Metro.
Don't know. I thought Metro Sur is part of Madrid's metro system.
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Old September 14th, 2013, 01:07 AM   #48
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The project might get a little more complicated if it starts involving not only
existing connections between existing metros

but also
future connections between existing metros
existing connections between existing and future metros
future connections between existing and future metros
future connections between future and future metros

like these:
Shanghai O===(planned connection)===O Souzhou [Post]
Seoul O======O Yongin (future metro system)
Shenzhen O======O Dongguan (future metro system) [Post]
Souzhou O======O Wuxi (future metro system) [Post]
Shenzhen O======O Huizhou (planned metro system) [Post]
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Old April 1st, 2016, 01:43 AM   #49
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In the past two-and-a-half years and after adding some more clusters, the Metro Hopping page looks like this: http://mic-ro.com/metro/metrohopping.html

And recently, after adding geodata to all metrobits-listed cities, it was not a big deal to let the script calculate the distances. They are now displayed next to the connections. (Distances are as the crow flies.)

With the geodata I also tried a completely different approach: finding clusters automatically. Here's what I found for a distance of 75 km: http://mic-ro.com/metro/clusters.html?km=75

Mumbai ----> Mumbai, Navi Mumbai
Guangzhou ----> Guangzhou, Foshan, Dongguan, Shenzhen, Huizhou, Hong Kong, Zhuhai, Macau
Seoul ----> Seoul, Uijeongbu, Incheon, Yongin
Tokyo ----> Tokyo, Yokohama, Tama, Chiba, Kamakura
Taipei ----> Taipei, Taoyuan
Suzhou ----> Suzhou, Wuxi, Changzhou
Busan ----> Busan, Changwon, Daegu
Jeddah ----> Jeddah, Mecca
Osaka ----> Osaka, Kobe, Kyoto
Nagoya ----> Nagoya, Komaki
Fukuoka ----> Fukuoka, Kitakyushu
Dallas ----> Dallas, Fort Worth
Brussels ----> Brussels, Antwerp, Charleroi
Cologne ----> Cologne, Bonn, Duesseldorf, Wuppertal, Muelheim, Duisburg, Essen, Oberhausen, Bochum, Gelsenkirchen, Dortmund
Jerusalem ----> Jerusalem, Tel Aviv
Amsterdam ----> Amsterdam, Utrecht, The Hague, Rotterdam
Frankfurt ----> Frankfurt, Ludwigshafen, Karlsruhe, Heilbronn, Stuttgart
Baltimore ----> Baltimore, Washington
Gold Coast ----> Gold Coast, Brisbane
Lisbon ----> Lisbon, Almada, Oeiras
Liverpool ----> Liverpool, Manchester
Santos ----> Santos, Sao Paulo
Greater Noida ----> Greater Noida, Noida, Delhi, Gurgaon
Newark ----> Newark, Jersey City, New York
Lille ----> Lille, Ostend

There's still a bug in the script, actually the city name on the left was intended to be the biggest city by population, which it not always is. For the same reason I'm not sure if the script really finds all clusters.

Remember these are distances only, it doesn't mean there are any rail connections.

You can try different distances yourself, just edit the number at the end of the URL. E.g. for 20 km: http://mic-ro.com/metro/clusters.html?km=20

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Old April 14th, 2016, 01:02 PM   #50
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Even better is this mosaic telling travelers how to get to the Hudson and Manhattan Railroad, aka today’s PATH, which shares an entrance to the station. When was the last time you heard the PATH referred to as the H&M?

https://ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.c.../hudson-tubes/
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Old April 14th, 2016, 05:31 PM   #51
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And recently, after adding geodata to all metrobits-listed cities, it was not a big deal to let the script calculate the distances. They are now displayed next to the connections. (Distances are as the crow flies.)
But many of those cities don't even have metros.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 06:16 PM   #52
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The Tyne & Wear Metro links the cities of Newcastle & Sunderland on the green line. There is no separate Newcastle Metro as listed on metrobits.org. Nor is there one in Sunderland. However, its not technically a metro system as its not grade separated.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 06:53 PM   #53
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But many of those cities don't even have metros.
Those cities are a subset of all 338 cities currently listed at metrobits.org, including existing, abandoned, under construction, and proposed metros or metro-like sections. Every couple of weeks, there's at least one new city that has to be included. 201 of the cities are currently in the list of existing metros and metro-like systems. The script is experimental anyways. In a future version it might be possible to switch between the sets of cities.


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The Tyne & Wear Metro links the cities of Newcastle & Sunderland on the green line. There is no separate Newcastle Metro as listed on metrobits.org. Nor is there one in Sunderland. However, its not technically a metro system as its not grade separated.
It is alway difficult to classify the world's metro systems. We've listed the Tyne & Wear Metro under the biggest city in the area, Newcastle.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 08:05 PM   #54
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The project might get a little more complicated if it starts involving not only
existing connections between existing metros

but also
future connections between existing metros
existing connections between existing and future metros
future connections between existing and future metros
future connections between future and future metros

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Shanghai O===(planned connection)===O Souzhou [Post]
Seoul O======O Yongin (future metro system)
Shenzhen O======O Dongguan (future metro system) [Post]
Souzhou O======O Wuxi (future metro system) [Post]
Shenzhen O======O Huizhou (planned metro system) [Post]
Where is Souzhou [sic]? What is between Shanghai and Wuxi is called Suzhou.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 09:23 PM   #55
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My deepest apologies
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The misspelling of Suzhou is not a huge issue considering all of the other problems with that list.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 07:19 PM   #57
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It is alway difficult to classify the world's metro systems. We've listed the Tyne & Wear Metro under the biggest city in the area, Newcastle.
That may well be but its not a metro system. There are only two metro systems in the UK, London and Glasgow.

And Newcastle only became the biggest city in the area last year. And that's due to an increase in university students.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 03:16 AM   #58
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If you prefer to call it an LRT, no problem, Metrobits also lists LRTs. In many (if not most) compilations comparing different metros, you will find each metro attached to one city, and Tyne & Wear Metro attached to Newcastle. Sorry that Newcastle only became the biggest city in the area last year, but Newcastle also seems to be the center of the metro system, if not the region, and provides the airport. I think it wouldn't make sense to list Sunderland as a separate metro city as it doesn't have a metro line of its own.

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http://metrobits.org/ now has a clickable world map on the home page with all metro/subway, LRT and other cities listed.
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Here's a more restricted list of clusters, including only existing metros listed at metrobits.org:
http://mic-ro.com/metro/metroclusters.html?km=75

(Also only in an experimental stage.)
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