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Old January 23rd, 2015, 09:16 PM   #301
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The design is trending in the 'box' direction. It's not a surprise. It may even end up a complete box all the way up when the bean counters are done with it. I wouldn't be shocked to see the other curvy tower become a box. It is inevitable that the FAR, tenant preference, potential to make more money, is going to win out in the end. I'm not surprised as even the main towers are boxy for the most part and so are most new towers going up barring a few exceptions (thank goodness). A curvy tower will always have a difficult time in NYC due to the dense grid and cost of land/construction.

NYC, like Tokyo, requires the box due to land expenses and the need to maximize profits with limited space.

However, the design here is appalling. What a stupid mistake to try to merge two contrasting styles ending up with a putrid pastiche. The developes have obviously told the architects to change the design based on financial considerations, and they have done a crude job. The base is overbearing and will look like a monster from the street. The heavy, plodding nature of the tower is not lessened by the attempt to be 'modern' at the top. Instead it makes the entire composition laughable and roughly thrown together.

The design may change again, I agree. However, this hideous pile is probably going to end up more simple and that is the clear trend here. I don't see them gong back to the original as most renders we have seen have been more boxy as time went on. A glass box like it's neighbor is probably not out of the question. The bean counter developers have obviously calculated that more square floor plates are going to increase the NOI (net operating income) and they are licking their lips.

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Old January 24th, 2015, 01:36 AM   #302
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is there list that say what store already booked for 35 hudson yard
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Old January 24th, 2015, 02:11 AM   #303
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Am I the only one who doesn't hate this design? Yes, I know it looks "oversimplified", but I like that at least the top has curves that made the older designs so striking. I actually like the base, also.

I'm okay with this because I think it's still way better than the last design. That was a TRUE box, and the ornate cladding didn't make up for it. And it reminded me of the Goldin Finance 117 Tower in Tianjin.

The current design is nothing to cry over, and the fact that it's not the final design makes me excited to see if this becomes a masterpiece or a dud. My biggest hope is that they make more setbacks, like some really nice towers being constructed, or more curves, which will make it unique. (I really hope they don't just value engineer the thing and scrap the curvy top, because that's what remains of the orignial design.)

And labeling all New York City U/C towers "glass boxes"? Now THAT's an oversimplification. Call 30 Park Place, 220 CPS, and even 432 Park Avenue glass towers. Call One57 and Tower Verre boxy towers. Call Steinway Tower and Two World Trade Center boring towers. People wil call you crazy. Because it's crazy to think these towers are subpar.
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Old January 24th, 2015, 02:12 AM   #304
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I love the new design!
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Old January 24th, 2015, 09:04 AM   #305
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This current design is some weird-unholy hybrid of all the previous designs this tower has had.
It's like the team at SOM said,"AH SCREW IT! Let's just merge all the designs for this tower and maybe Related will stop asking us to change it."
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Old January 24th, 2015, 07:12 PM   #306
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Yes , the best design for now.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 12:06 AM   #307
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Wow, the first design revision that hasn't gotten worse. Dare I say that I'm encouraged?
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Old January 25th, 2015, 02:08 AM   #308
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Better than the previous design but still not a fan. I have a hard time trying to figure out what they're trying to do with this version. Hopefully it won't be the last redesign...not even sure if that's a good thing cause at th exception of 30HY, every redesign in that development has been a downgrade.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 02:49 AM   #309
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A run through of the evolution of 35 Hudson Yards



I would call this a victory in terms of improvement from the last design, and considering that they added more curves than the last design, I'm confident that the team will add more curves and probably more, smooth, setbacks to bring back the features of the previous designs. Of course, because of value engineering, they won't curve it nearly as much that the footprint will become a perfect circle, but I predict that design will win over value engineering on this one. For now, I would order the designs in terms of greatness (from left to right) 2, 1, 4, 3 (the second design is number one on my list).
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Old January 25th, 2015, 02:50 AM   #310
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It's like they're going back right to the original design
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Old January 25th, 2015, 04:24 AM   #311
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when the constrution is going to start
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Old January 25th, 2015, 07:28 AM   #312
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LOL... as nuts as Related has driven us with their constant tinkering of the residential towers in the first phase of HY, most notably the Equinox Tower once they get to the second phase, which looks almost all residential(don't know if there will be any office tower built there) it's going to be positively wild!!!!!!!!!!!
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I doubt anything substantially tall will come out of phase II other than the "West Tower" (the only office tower) which looks massive. It will likely be design over height for the numerous residential buildings





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Old January 25th, 2015, 08:37 AM   #314
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Even though other than the office tower I doubt anything in the 2nd phase goes over 750-800 ft(and most appear in the 400-600 ft range, maybe 700) the potential for a really visually exciting project appears to be a real one.. lots of interesting takes but we know with Related first impressions may change a great deal over time!
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Old January 26th, 2015, 12:03 AM   #315
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I don't like the newest design. Looks disproportional and "setbacked for the sake of setbacks"

They should have built the square fading to a circle design.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 12:05 AM   #316
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That won't be built.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 05:36 PM   #317
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^How do you know, do you have inside info?
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Old January 26th, 2015, 08:36 PM   #318
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The late Robert Walpole was rumored to be involved either the NY real estate world.
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The late Robert Walpole was rumored to be involved either the NY real estate world.

lt's so funny how he is mentioned as if he were a part of lore. lol
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The late Robert Walpole was rumored to be involved either the NY real estate world.
He was a man of many tales... Some say he still lurks these very forums...
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