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Old April 14th, 2015, 12:04 AM   #381
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How in gods name is this project a fail, 900 plus foot skyscrapers culminated into one great city center
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Old April 14th, 2015, 03:35 AM   #382
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DUBAI, the massing diagram if you just take it by itself looks awkward and unwieldy but it doesn't begin to really impress on people just how diverse and impressive HY when completed will be. Is it the best layout ever, could there have been improvements? Yes, absolutely.. but when done it will be one of the most massive urban projects ever... far more ambitious than even a damn great one like Rockefeller Center was. A whole neighborhood with thousands upon thousands in its environs living, working, shopping or visiting daily but almost out of nothing... upon railtracks being still used underneath all the foundation and support!

30 HY is definitely one massive tower and I do agree even with the slight shave virtually same to the roof as ESB and considerably wider. It will still surely be noticed!
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Old April 14th, 2015, 10:08 PM   #383
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Obviously when you look at this picture its hard to see anything but density, but how the density interacts with the sidewalk is what's most important, and I just don't see the same kind of interactivity with the street that Manhattan is known and famous for.

The podiums are oversized and there is too much space between them. There are a couple of new communities in downtown Toronto that look a bit like this and they are pedestrian deadzones.
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Old April 14th, 2015, 10:23 PM   #384
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I wonder about that too. I agree that the big open spaces aren't really conducive to urban street-life, but I think the mix of residential, commercial and retail will help. I expect everything in between the two main pedestrian gateways -- the 7 Train station, and where the High Line meets the HY plaza -- to remain lively, at least as long as the High Line remains popular.

But I do wonder how much foot traffic the rest of Hudson Park & Blvd, or HY Phase II, will realistically receive (especially since the High Line doesn't touch down anywhere in Phase II.)
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Old April 15th, 2015, 12:10 AM   #385
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The place will be buzzing! You have the Highline currently at times over capacitated with locals and tourist that would eventually be flowing into the Hudson Yards. Penn Station across the street from Manhattan West complex etc.. The whole Hudson Yards District is mix used outfitted with Office, Residential, Hotels, Shopping Center and the a new NYC landmark that will rival the Eiffel Tower...lol. Plus when there is some sort of function going on at the convention center the place would be unbearable.

In NYC where there is limited green space, the people will come.

The whole Hudson Yards Development will be amazing and I cannot wait to hang out, explore, enjoy people watching and admiring all the tall buildings etc.
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Old April 15th, 2015, 10:22 AM   #386
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I choose to be positive like V_G about HY and environs... of course,lol that the supposedly interactive centerpiece of the first phase HY won't be quite the Eiffel Tower as hyped but I'm sure it will be fantastic and people will really like it for the most part. It's going to be a exciting, wonderful new neighborhood from the High Line to the Hudson Spire(well I do keep my fingers crossed on that one!)
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Old April 15th, 2015, 07:16 PM   #387
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I'm on the fence. What really bugs me is how the park is going to be surrounded by streets, all but ensuring it will be underused. I don't think this will be a dead zone by any means, it's got the department store, apartments, and of course offices, but I have a hard time seeing this as coming close to being a second Rockefeller Center. Still, it's got enough going on that it will be nice. Overall I'm looking forward to it.
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Old April 15th, 2015, 07:25 PM   #388
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I'm on the fence. What really bugs me is how the park is going to be surrounded by streets, all but ensuring it will be underused.
Uh, every park in Manhattan is surrounded by streets.
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Old April 16th, 2015, 12:09 AM   #389
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Uh, every park in Manhattan is surrounded by streets.
I should have clarified. I was thinking of Rockefeller Plaza specifically and how the buildings open up directly into the public space. Office workers and tourists can just walk right out and they're there. Not to mention Rockefeller has more amenities compared to Hudson Boulevard Park to draw people in. I'm just looking at it more from the perspective of office workers who want an outdoor space to get lunch or something. Teadrop park in BPC is another example of a well integrated park.

But otherwise you're right. I guess Bryant Park is a good example of a park in a similar environment that works well despite being surrounded by streets.
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Old April 16th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #390
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Well, the Hudson Boulevard will enjoy the success of the Hudson Yards Plaza. If there will be a lot of people within the plaza they will filter out into the parks along the boulevard. It would be beneficial and I hope future projects along the Hudson Boulevard will incorporate retail on both sides of the boulevard.

The Hudson Plaza imo, will be very similar to Rockefeller Plaza. Just like Rockefeller, buildings also will open up directly into the public space. (10 HY, 15 HY, 35 HY, 30 HY, 50 HY and 55 HY).

Like Rockefeller Center the HY Plaza will have a monument and observation decks. The Hudson Yards will have an state of the art culture shed for activities that Rockefeller does not have. The only thing is currently there is no TV station broadcasting in the Hudson Yards like NBC does for Rockefeller. lol. Perhaps, maybe CBS moves there? It would certainly advertise the place. I dunno.

As far as amenities the HY Plaza has the highly visited High Line Park that filters into the Plaza plus the Hudson Yards mall is there that will be outfitted with fine dining and shops.

Granted, Rockefeller center is in a prime prime location which you cannot beat but the Hudson Yards imo will soon be a must see destination to visit in NYC once it's completed.
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Old April 16th, 2015, 12:39 AM   #391
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Kanto.... what the heck are you talking about? Nothing "stands alone" in New York City. We're not building in a vacuum here, it's all part of the larger urban fabric. The biggest problem WFC has had is the west side highway cutting it off from the rest of Downtown, not the lack of a supertall. It's a problem of not enough density. And besides, compared to most of New York, Hudson Yards is decidedly NOT dense. The huge plazas are not very progressive from a planner's prospective. Tobin Plaza of the original WTC complex was unquestionably a failure as a public space, and I think HY risks the same result.
Density alone is not a problem, just as uniform heights aren't a problem alone. The problem is that when these two phenomena merge it creates an urban catastrophe. There are dense areas in Manhattan, but often these dense areas are filled with buildings with variable height. If the buildings differ in height, the taller buildings have good views and are visible in the skyline. Take 57th street for example, it is a dense area, however all of the top players (432 Park, Nordstrom, Steinway) are sufficiently far from each other so that they are visible and their occupants have good views and sunshine. The WTC is denser, however it is still no where near the density of the Hudson Yards. In my opinion good urban planning should always keep density and uniform height away from each other.
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Well, the Hudson Boulevard will enjoy the success of the Hudson Yards Plaza. If there will be a lot of people within the plaza they will filter out into the parks along the boulevard. It would be beneficial and I hope future projects along the Hudson Boulevard will incorporate retail on both sides of the boulevard.

The Hudson Plaza imo, will be very similar to Rockefeller Plaza. Just like Rockefeller, buildings also will open up directly into the public space. (10 HY, 15 HY, 35 HY, 30 HY, 50 HY and 55 HY).

Like Rockefeller Center the HY Plaza will have a monument and observation decks. The Hudson Yards will have an state of the art culture shed for activities that Rockefeller does not have. The only thing is currently there is no TV station broadcasting in the Hudson Yards like NBC does for Rockefeller. lol. Perhaps, maybe CBS moves there? It would certainly advertise the place. I dunno.

As far as amenities the HY Plaza has the highly visited High Line Park that filters into the Plaza plus the Hudson Yards mall is there that will be outfitted with fine dining and shops.

Granted, Rockefeller center is in a prime prime location which you cannot beat but the Hudson Yards imo will soon be a must see destination to visit in NYC once it's completed.
Good points. I forgot about the culture shed, actually. There is a lot to look forward to
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Equinox to Open a Gymcentric Hotel at Hudson Yards

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Old April 27th, 2015, 10:47 PM   #394
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The hotel, designed by Yabu Pushelberg, will include a 60,000-square-foot gym.
That is huge.
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Old May 1st, 2015, 11:51 PM   #395
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30ft / 9m height bump! Now 1,039ft / 317m.





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Old May 2nd, 2015, 04:59 AM   #396
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Nice!

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Old May 2nd, 2015, 08:47 PM   #397
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Kinda like this one.
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The current design is certainly far better than some of the previous, designs, but I bet there are many new designs for this building yet to come
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Old May 2nd, 2015, 10:30 PM   #399
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I like it but really want to see, at least in the upper half, a more cylindrical take. But it's like Related has developer ADD, lol. Like Kanto refers they can't seem to fix on any design or height for long.
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Old May 2nd, 2015, 10:37 PM   #400
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