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Old February 25th, 2016, 05:56 PM   #81
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Ann Arbor, MI streetcar proposal



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Old March 1st, 2016, 12:36 PM   #82
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Southeast Michigan regional transit plan to be proposed in May for November ballod

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The head of the group charged with improving and coordinating Southeast Michigan's public transportation systems said Tuesday that a draft plan in the works for years will be released in May, with a millage proposal to follow in July.

Michael Ford, CEO of the Regional Transit Authority for Southeast Michigan, said during the Detroit Policy Conference that the group intends to get a measure supporting the plan on the November ballot for voters in Wayne, Macomb, Oakland and Washtenaw counties.

The RTA was established in 2013 to coordinate the region's various, largely unconnected local transportation systems, and to propose new transit infrastructure that take the form of bus rapid transit lines with dedicated lanes along major corridors.

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Study: 110 mph Detroit-to-Holland rail would make money

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A 110-mph passenger rail route between Detroit and Holland would cost up to $540 million but spur $14 million annually in profit, according to a new study.

The Coast-to-Coast Passenger Rail Study, funded by communities along the proposed line and managed by the Michigan Environmental Council, analyzed three prospective routes from Detroit through Lansing to Holland but decided that only two are viable for further study.

The study gives refreshed specifics to the long-discussed concept of connecting Michigan’s two largest cities by train. Michigan hasn’t had a Grand Rapids-to-Detroit line since Amtrak was created in 1971, although four prior feasibility studies were done from the 1980s through 2002.

One route would travel between Detroit, Wayne, Ann Arbor, Jackson, Lansing, Grand Rapids and Holland. The other would follow much the same path but go to Howell, rather than Jackson, in between Ann Arbor and Lansing.

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The $100,000 feasibility study indicates that a 110 mph service could see 1.71 million riders annually by 2040 for the Lansing-down-to-Jackson route and 1.59 million for the Howell-through-Ann Arbor route. Also involved in the effort are the Michigan Department of Transportation and the Ann Arbor Area Transportation Authority.

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Initial estimates for the Jackson route show that securing and upgrading 202.8 miles of rail line to handle 79 mph trains would cost about $141.6 million, and selling tickets on four roundtrip trains a day would require an operating subsidy of about $6 million a year. Setting up the same route for 110-mph service would require $540 million in capital improvements, but eight round trips a day could generate $14 million a year, per the study.

Upfront costs for the 186.1-mile Howell route are a bit lower but follow the same trend, with capital costs of $131 million and yearly losses of $5.2 million for 79 mph service, compared to $436 million in upfront costs but $12 million a year in profit for 110 mph service.

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Old March 1st, 2016, 09:30 PM   #83
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Island platforms on a bus system seems weird and unnecessary.
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Old March 2nd, 2016, 08:30 PM   #84
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A layman question:
What is the reason for BRT island platforms? What is the rational of having those instead of two platforms on the outside?
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They are necessary for systems where dedicated bus lanes, for whatever reason, need to be in the middle of the road instead of beside the shoulders.

The drawback is the need to source specialized buses where doors open on the left (in right-running realms such as North America).
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I see 0 reason, just bad design.
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Render of proposed streetcar for Ann Arbor:
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Old March 8th, 2016, 05:05 PM   #88
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What is the reason for BRT island platforms? What is the rational of having those instead of two platforms on the outside?
May be not in USA, but sometimes in South America, BRT are high floor vehicles,
with steps and few doors (generaly just one) at sidewalk level on right hand side,
and lot of doors at high floor level (without steps) on left hand side. http://www.railforthevalley.com/wp-c...-bus-sq-01.jpg

With high floor, more people can stay in the bus.
With high level doors on left hand side it's easier for bus drivers to come very near to the station platform (also high level).
Without steps, going in and out of the bus is faster.
With island station you need just one tickets selling agent, for the two directions.
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Old March 24th, 2016, 08:39 PM   #89
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It's official, the M1 Rail Streetcar in Detroit will be known as the QLINE.

Detroit's modern Streetcar officially has a Name

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Since construction began in 2014, several names have been swirling about for Detroit’s modern streetcar, encompassing a 6.6 mile loop from downtown Detroit through West Grand Boulevard. Today, Quicken Loans pulled back the curtain, announcing QLINE (pronounced Q–LINE) as the name for the new project.

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As for the discussion about the island platforms of the BRT on Michigan Ave, keep also in mind that that is not necessarily the final design. Things could still change during the planning process. I'd wait to judge at least until the RTA releases the official master plan later this spring.

And I don't know if this video has already been posted here, but in this simulation one can see that apparently they are planning to use buses that have doors on both sides because the planned route goes through center running and curb running sections along the way.

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Swipe cards? Didn't know they even existed anymore.
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Old March 25th, 2016, 03:55 AM   #92
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But most newer systems have moved over to rechargeable bank cards or mobile payment technology.. Its abit weird to see a newer system use something so old and outdated..
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Why a modern ticketing system or mobile payment technology,
when Detroit builds an old fashion streetcar, sharing street space with general traffic ?
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Old March 29th, 2016, 09:45 PM   #94
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A preliminary transit system map was unveiled today by the RTA.



In this video one can further see an improved BRT design along all corridors.

After seeing this, I got really excited about the proposed master plan. If the transit millage passes in November and they go through with all of this, it would be a big deal for a metropolitan region centered around car usage as much as the one of Detroit.
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What headways are we talking about for those different lines (BRT and local bus lines), or which range? That is the key question to determine if the network is truly useful or not.
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4th Quarter 2015 Ridership numbers for Detroit

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Detroit / City of Detroit Dept of Trp - 91,700 : 10.26%
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What headways are we talking about for those different lines (BRT and local bus lines), or which range? That is the key question to determine if the network is truly useful or not.
In order to answer your question, I'm just gonna quote Lmichigan from the Detroit subforum.

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MLive covered the Ann Arbor meeting for their portion of the RTA's plan (Michigan Avenue corridor) that delved into a bit more detail. Some observations:

- Yep, the plan has changed with the BRT portion of this project being truncated in the middle. Detroit and Ann Arbor will only be connected by a commuter rail service. You could technically still be connected to Detroit entirely by bus to Ann Arbor, but it'd take forever. What you'd do is catch the AirRide to Metro and then juno on the Detroit-to-Metro BRT service, but that would stretch the trip to 2 hours, so you're best bet is to catch one of the trains to Detroit.

- There will be 8 round trips per day: 3 morning trains, one lunch-hour train, 3 afternoon trains, and one late-night train. This was actually more service than the original concept for the commuter rail proposed, I believe. The train would be the most competitive (and fastest) of any service on this corridor. From one end to the other the service would by 44 minutes vs. 58 minutes during rushhour by automobile along I-94.

- The Detroit-Dearborn BRT along Michigan Avenue would be competitive with auto traffic along the freeway taking 26 minutes vs. 24-35 minutes on the freeway.

- The full BRT trip from Detroit to Metro would be the slowest taking 66 minutes vs. 26-40 minutes on the freeway. So, it seems that the route after Dearborn must slow way-the-heck down, but it'd be interesting to see exactly where time is loss between Dearborn and Metro.

- The Ann Arbor BRT along Washtenaw Avenue connecting to Ypsilanti is a "light" BRT service, as quite a bit of it will be in mixed-traffic with BRT features.

- The headways for BRT will be 10-15 minutes during peak hours. It'd be nice to get these down a bit more to 10 minutes at the most, otherwise it's kind of hard to call it "rapid" transit. Service would also not be 24-hours, but run from 5AM to midnight.

Can't wait to see from their Woodward and Gratiot meetings more of the details on those services.
This map from the same source summerizes the main facts as well.



More details on the other two services along Woodward and Gratiot will probably follow soon. I expect Woodward to have at least similar headways, if not even closer down to every 10 minutes, because of its significance for the region.
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Horrible accident and aftermath on the Detroit People Mover

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Did anyone ever figure out what these were? Are they in fact a subway entrance, or something else entirely?
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Where is this intersection? This appears to be a subway in the Canadian sense, an underground walkway.

I've long been intrigued by abandoned subways and looked into the Detroit mystery subway while working on my web site on the subject (www.hiddensubways.com). I was unable to find anything substantiable, but if anyone here knows something I don't, I am all ears. Or mostly anyway.

Also, there is an abandonded rail tunnel connecting Detroit with Windsor but it was part of the commuter rail network and never was a subway.
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