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Old February 15th, 2006, 10:55 AM   #421
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But paint only weighs maybe 100kg... the planes are like 100 tons. Would it really make that much of a difference? There would be a paint on the metal anyway - the paint is crucial to protecting the metal through the extreme temperature changes.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 11:07 AM   #422
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Well, 160kg according to Air Canada The lower weight supposedly results in savings of $24K per year. Not so much I suppose, but considering they have over 30 767s, it does add up.

Don't know about the effects of no paint on the metal, but American Airlines does this already, as do a number of other airlines for their freighter fleets (eg. I noticed an unpainted JAL freighter last time I was in Narita). On a side note, I believe this only works for Boeing aircraft. It doesn't work on Airbus planes -- possibly because of the high amount of composites used, and a different finish on the metal.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 11:40 AM   #423
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It's probably more streamlined with no paint on it as well? That would save on fuel.

P.S. deej, American's A300's are a bare metal finish, except for the tail which is painted because of the composite materials it was made from. Not to sure about the later model Airbuses though. You're probably right about them.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 10:03 PM   #424
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I don't mind the bare metal finish, but when you go from a painted livery to bare, it looks awful. I remember when TWA's MD-80s were stripped of their paint to match American's finish. You look up close at it and you can see every little scrape used to take the paint off. Ew...

You know what else saves money? Lighter passengers! Perhaps Air Canada needs to offer in-flight liposuctions!
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Old February 16th, 2006, 02:08 AM   #425
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But paint only weighs maybe 100kg... the planes are like 100 tons. Would it really make that much of a difference? There would be a paint on the metal anyway - the paint is crucial to protecting the metal through the extreme temperature changes.

I was wondering the same thing. They could save more money by requiring passengers to have a weight limit on their luggage.

For some reason I don't like Air Canada's current livery with or without paint. It just looks funny to me. At least they should blend the colors like United did on thier tails. I think seeing all those dots as the colors blend looks sloppy.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 03:00 AM   #426
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I was reading in Airliners magazine, the weight saving on a 767 is about 163kg & will save the airline approx $24,000 per annum on each a/c.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 03:34 AM   #427
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Don't worry....it's only a tester.....for now
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Old February 16th, 2006, 03:40 AM   #428
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Too bad... I really liked the new design.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 05:42 AM   #429
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I posted this like 2 months ago


are they still testing or is it going to the whole fleet?
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Old February 16th, 2006, 05:50 AM   #430
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Jazz Announces Temporary Suspension Of Toronto City Centre Airport Services
15 February 2006

HALIFAX, N.S. (Dow Jones)--Jazz Air LP has advised Air Canada that it will temporarily suspend service to and from Toronto's City Centre Airport during March.

Jazz, a regional airline, cited "continuing uncertainty created by its eviction from the Toronto City Centre Airport, and the unwillingness of the Toronto Port Authority to assist in securing an alternate facility."

In a news release, Jazz said it operates five weekday round trips to Ottawa from that airport. It noted that the suspension leaves the small Toronto airport without commercial air service.

Jazz and Air Canada are part of ACE Aviation Holdings Inc. (ACE.B.T). Air Canada is Canada's largest air carrier.

As of Feb. 1, Jazz operated scheduled passenger service on behalf of Air Canada with about 738 departures per weekday to 56 destinations in Canada and 22 destinations in the U.S.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 05:51 AM   #431
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Canada probes international air cargo services

MONTREAL, Feb 15 (Reuters) - Air Canada parent ACE Aviation Holdings Inc. said on Wednesday that Canada's antitrust agency is investigating carriers that provide international air cargo services in a widening of the global investigation of suspected price-fixing.

"We did receive yesterday a letter from the Competition Bureau of Canada stating that it has begun an investigation into the activities of carriers that are engaged in the provision of international air cargo services to and from Canada," Isabelle Arthur, spokeswoman for ACE Aviation, told Reuters.

"We will co-operate fully with the Competition Bureau. It is our policy to conduct our business in accordance with all applicable competition laws," she added.

Arthur could not offer further details on the nature of the probe. Air Canada is the country's top airline.

Competition Bureau spokesman Donald Plouffe confirmed his agency had sent a letter to the company on Tuesday but declined to say which, if any, other Canadian firms may be involved in the probe.

The agency is cooperating with its European and U.S. counterparts, but each investigation is being run separately, Plouffe added.

The investigation of airlines suspected of fixing prices widened to Asia on Wednesday as authorities searched the offices of some of the world's biggest carriers from Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong. The European Union's executive arm and the U.S. Justice Department raided a number of airlines on both sides of the Atlantic a day earlier.

The probe centers on surcharges that airlines have imposed for fuel, added security and higher war risk insurance since the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackings in the United States, according to some of the carriers being questioned.

ACE Aviation's restricted voting shares rose 83 Canadian cents to C$34.73 on the Toronto Stock Exchange on Wednesday.

(Additional reporting by Gilbert Le Gras in Ottawa)
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Old February 17th, 2006, 01:30 AM   #432
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Everytime they show an A380 in production on TV it's parts are green or yellow. Does this mean the metallic body is first painted those colors and then gets the respective airline livery? I don't understand that.
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Old February 17th, 2006, 02:30 AM   #433
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Everytime they show an A380 in production on TV it's parts are green or yellow. Does this mean the metallic body is first painted those colors and then gets the respective airline livery? I don't understand that.
The green coating is a protective layer (I think it has something to do with delaying corrosion), and the livery is applied on top.
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Old February 17th, 2006, 02:34 AM   #434
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One of these days they are going to make you Throw up- before boarding to weight less and save money...........................
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lol....with Air Canada, anything is possible
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Old February 17th, 2006, 03:39 AM   #436
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it looks nice without the paint anyway
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Air Canada gets licence for cargo
17 February 2006
The Globe and Mail

Air Canada has obtained a domestic licence to operate an all-cargo service using Canadian aircraft and crew, but only after the Canadian Transportation Agency chastised the airline for concealing information about improperly hiring U.S. planes and staff to do the job.

“It is the manner in which this contravention was dealt with by Air Canada that is inexcusable and reprehensible,” the agency ruled.

Air Canada had sworn in an affidavit last May that it hadn't leased American cargo planes, but it hired Virginia-based Gemini Air Cargo in November, 2004, for a major shipment from Toronto to Vancouver. The affidavit accompanied the Montreal-based airline's application for a domestic cargo licence.

Air Canada used Gemini on eight other occasions, but the agency accepted the airline's explanation that those small shipments were inadvertently transferred to Gemini.

Cargojet Income Fund, Canada's main domestic cargo carrier, had complained that Air Canada wasn't abiding by the rules to use Canadian aircraft and crew.

Air Canada spokesman Peter Fitzpatrick said that the airline regrets its failure to keep the agency informed. “There was a breakdown in internal communications on the Nov. 26, 2004, all-cargo flight.”

He said no decision has been made on what domestic cargo services Air Canada will introduce.

Cargojet president Ajay Virmani played down the prospect of vigorous domestic cargo competition, saying Mississauga-based Cargojet operates a strong network and has numerous long-term contracts to move goods within Canada.
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Old February 18th, 2006, 06:56 PM   #438
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Oil boom spurs flight from Fort McMurray to St. John's: New Air Canada route
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18 February 2006
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CALGARY - Air Canada is cashing in on the large concentration of Newfoundlanders living in Fort McMurray, Alta., and the booming activity in the oilsands industry in the region.

The Montreal-based carrier said yesterday it will begin offering the first non-stop flights between Fort McMurray and Toronto on April 8. The flight will continue non-stop to St. John's.

"It sounds pretty wonderful," said Goldie Canning, a cook at the McMurray Newfoundlanders Club who followed her daughter west four years ago. "I went home last summer and flew from here to Edmonton, then to Toronto, then to Halifax and then to St. John's. It took two days."

There are about 11,000 Newfoundlanders in Fort McMurray -- about 18% of the city's population and the largest concentration of Newfoundlanders outside of that province.

Air Canada spokesman Angela Mah said the pull of the oilsands, where some $100-billion worth of investment is due to take place by 2020, coincides with the arrival of Air Canada's 93-seat Embraer 190 jets, smaller planes that can make long hauls and serve smaller markets.
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INTERVIEW-Air Canada parent sees stronger 2006 result
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Feb 20 (Reuters) - Air Canada parent ACE Aviation will improve on its 2005 profit this year, its chief executive said, citing the airline's new business model and excellent industry conditions marred only by fuel prices.

Chief Executive Robert Milton said on Monday he was satisfied with the result for 2005 announced on Feb. 10, a net profit of C$258 million ($224 million).

Asked whether ACE Aviation Holdings Inc. would improve on that this year, he told Reuters: "It is absolutely my intention. It is expected of us and I expect it as well."

He declined to give a specific forecast.

"The economy is strong and traffic levels are extremely buoyant," he said on the sidelines of a conference in Singapore. "Fuel is the only negative."

The reorganised company emerged at the end of September 2004 from 18 months of bankruptcy protection and has reshaped itself with much lower costs to compete with cheap, no-frills airlines.

One example of cost-cutting is greater use of Internet sales, which save on fees paid to travel agents.

"Today we distribute about 60 percent of our domestic sales by the Internet," Milton told the conference, organised by the International Air Transport Association.

Traditional airlines globally are suffering tough competition from no-frills airlines that enjoy low costs thanks to simple services and the advantages of starting from a clean sheet of paper.

Milton said Air Canada was fighting that competition by combining its own newly lowered costs with the higher level of service offered by a traditional airline.

The strategy was based on offering economy seats at exactly the same price as its competitors, giving them no advantage, he said.

But to draw more passengers and earn more revenue, Air Canada let customers add on extras that its competitors did not offer, choosing from a menu of benefits such as business class check-in, frequent flyer points or valet parking.

"Our ultimate goal is not to become a low-cost carrier but a full-service carrier that competes with low-cost carriers," Milton said.

Air Canada's competitors include WestJet Airlines Ltd.

High fuel prices have hit aviation harder than most industries. Fuel accounts for about a quarter of airline costs. (C$1.1493 = $1)
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Jazz loses court bid to stay at island airport
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28 February 2006
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The Ontario Superior Court of Justice has refused a last-minute injunction to let Air Canada Jazz continue flying from Toronto's downtown island airport while it seeks an alternative home.

Jazz, controlled by the same parent company that owns Air Canada, asked for the injunction after it received an eviction notice from City Centre Aviation Ltd., which operates the airport on behalf of the Toronto Port Authority.

City Centre Aviation is controlled by Robert Deluce, who is setting up a new airline that will operate from the airport in competition with Jazz.

Jazz will suspend all flights from Toronto City Centre Airport after today and fly to Ottawa from Pearson International Airport instead.

"We're certainly viewing this as a temporary suspension of service," Jazz spokeswoman Debra Williams said.

Porter Airlines, the new business being backed by Deluce, welcomed the court's decision and said a rejuvenation of the airport's terminal will begin shortly.

Deluce, who founded Air Ontario - one of several regional airlines that were acquired by what is now Jazz Air - has been trying for years to launch a new airline based at the island airport, despite opposition from Toronto City Council.

Porter Airlines is planning to begin scheduled service in late summer to short-haul destinations in Canada and the U.S.
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