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Old October 12th, 2010, 04:19 AM   #981
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I agree. Just read that they closed airspace into UAE from the ministers. Canada should limit Emrites flights into Canada as a result for closing their airspace. Qatar does not fly to Canada. I think they would do well competeing againsts Emrites. What cities would they fly into?
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Old October 12th, 2010, 04:27 AM   #982
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Well, tit for tat. It all started when Canada wouldn't allow Emirates more flights.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 04:28 AM   #983
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WestJet sets single-day record of 49,545 passengers
8 October 2010
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WestJetters are giving thanks as a record number of guests chose to fly with WestJet Airlines Ltd. today. The airline set a new single-day record with 49,545 guests travelling on board flights in WestJet's network leading into the Canadian Thanksgiving weekend.

"At a time when everyone expresses their thanks, WestJet is thankful for each and every guest who chose to fly with WestJet today and to all guests who continue to choose us as their favourite airline," said Bob Cummings, executive vice-president, marketing and sales. "It makes us feel so good to be able to bring so many families and friends together for the Thanksgiving holiday."

The previous single-day record was 46,757, set on the Friday before Thanksgiving in 2008. On average, WestJet flies approximately 40,000 guests across its 71-city network each day.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 08:39 PM   #984
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Well, tit for tat. It all started when Canada wouldn't allow Emirates more flights.
I just want to understand how exactly it is tit for tat? Please explain it to me because I want to fully understand before I make any comments.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 10:16 PM   #985
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There's a bilateral agreement between Canada and the UAE that allows each side 6 weekly commercial flights into each others territory. Why should Canada grant more traffic rights to the UAE carriers? The local market doesn't need more frequencies. Air Canada doesn't even fly to Dubai or Abu Dhabi since there's not enough demand for such flights. EK and EY only want Canadian airports as spokes for their AUH/DXB hubs, nearly 100% connecting traffic.
The UAE had 6 weekly frequencies, but EK didn't take them. They just cried they wanted more. Only after EY took 3 freqencies, EK took the remaining 3. The UAE now wants 50(!) weekly frequencies to Canada. What has the UAE to offer in return?
It's definitely not in Canada's interest to support the gulf carrier's strategy of raping markets, making it harder for Canadian carriers to stay profitable, and possibly even causing smaller Canadian cities to loose their flights to Europe to where there's much more demand than to the Middle East, but which also need aditional passengers that would be taken away by EK (AC's Ottawa-FRA or Edmonton-LHR come to mind). Competition with the gulf carriers is not even close to a level playing field, so nobody should even think of mentioning competition or market forces, etc when it comes to market share between EK/EY and traditional legacy carriers.

Just childish! There's no reason to link geo-politcs with traffic rights. Canada should react in cancelling the bilateral altogether. That would also hurt EK's and EY's US operations, since they wouldn't be allowed to overfly Canada anymore. The UAE has much more to loose in this game than Canada.
I hope this also opens the eyes in Germany and France. They should not even think of renegotiating the bilaterals anymore. Especially the Germany-UAE bilateral already is rather liberal: 5th freedom rights, no restriction on capacity or frequency, only the number of destinations is limited to four, which is absolutely enough for the size of the countries.
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I don't think it is up to the Canadian government to judge whether Emirates can run a profit by flying more frequencies. Normally, if airlines want to increase flights on top of existing regimes, they would lobby their government to push for the limits to change. This is the same with any market. I don't think you can say the local market cannot absorb the additional flights, and even if it can't, the government should not even need to care about that because that's not their problem. How Emirates run their business and numbers is their problem.

What likely drove the decision is the need to protect Air Canada from this competitor - to distort the market forces. Emirates likely captures a lot of the India-bound traffic that has moved to one-stop foreign carriers after AC dropped its India routes. With Emirates expanding so rapidly and with an existing extensive India network, I doubt AC can ever get back to India. AC is not likely going to fly to the UAE alone either since they can better utilize their planes on more profitable routes, and Emirates is likely targeting transit traffic, not end-to-end traffic to Dubai/Abu Dhabi anyway.

So is the Canadian government trying to put a stop to this perceived 'dumping' of capacity? Should Canada be protectionist and not let market forces rule the day (the reality is Emirates is the 'market' now as a strong competitor)? Can Canada watch this competitor take up so much business and AC will never be able to launch amidst such a strong competitor? Should Canada prevent strong competitors from taking hold in the country to protect the national carriers? Since government departments lobby for frequency limit changes, I am not at all surprised overall relations could change, although the UAE's reaction is quite drastic, and will likely hurt Canada more than what the Canadians are capable to inflict the other way around.
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But it's up to the Canadian Government to do the best for its country. Letting two competitors which by far don't play at a level playing field (so you can put your comment with "market forces rule the day" to where the sun doesn't shine) flooding the market with cheap seats, ruining the business case for local airlines with all its consequences, definitely is not in Canada's interest. The country and its people have much more to loose than to win by this.
The UAE are the ones who want the bilateral (which was signed by BOTH sides) to be widened. They are the only ones who want more frequencies, definitely not the canadian side. They even want 50(!!!) of them, the equivalent of 7 daily flights to a rather sparseley populated country. What do they have to offer in return?
A conflict would hit the UAE more than Canada. Canada doesn't need the UAE for anything. They have much stronger economic ties to countless countries and Camp Mirage is history and they don't have any use for the bilateral. But the UAE needs even this existing bilateral, because of the overfly rights to the USA (SFO, LAX and ORD wouldn't be possible).
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... flooding the market with cheap seats, ruining the business case for local airlines with all its consequences, definitely is not in Canada's interest.
How can the frequency of flights and cheap seats to Dubai from Canadian cities, where no local airline ever flies, effects them?
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Old October 13th, 2010, 07:50 PM   #989
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But it's up to the Canadian Government to do the best for its country. Letting two competitors which by far don't play at a level playing field (so you can put your comment with "market forces rule the day" to where the sun doesn't shine) flooding the market with cheap seats, ruining the business case for local airlines with all its consequences, definitely is not in Canada's interest. The country and its people have much more to loose than to win by this.
The UAE are the ones who want the bilateral (which was signed by BOTH sides) to be widened. They are the only ones who want more frequencies, definitely not the canadian side. They even want 50(!!!) of them, the equivalent of 7 daily flights to a rather sparseley populated country. What do they have to offer in return?
A conflict would hit the UAE more than Canada. Canada doesn't need the UAE for anything. They have much stronger economic ties to countless countries and Camp Mirage is history and they don't have any use for the bilateral. But the UAE needs even this existing bilateral, because of the overfly rights to the USA (SFO, LAX and ORD wouldn't be possible).
Then I don't think many airlines can expand into Canada. Ultimately, the consumer will lose from less choices.

Even if the UAE can offer a lot, Canadian carriers simply don't have the business case to use it.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 06:07 AM   #990
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But it's up to the Canadian Government to do the best for its country. Letting two competitors which by far don't play at a level playing field (so you can put your comment with "market forces rule the day" to where the sun doesn't shine) flooding the market with cheap seats, ruining the business case for local airlines with all its consequences, definitely is not in Canada's interest. The country and its people have much more to loose than to win by this.
Isn't it up to the market to decide what's best for the country? If AC is losing market share to EK and EY, then that means AC needs to be more competitive. The Emirate airlines are not subsidized by the UAE government (confirmed by foreign accounting firms) and in fact pays profits to them. AC is in the world's largest airline alliance and has plenty of partners to choose from (and this includes Air India, flag carrier of the largest destination of EK/EY passengers). AC is in no position to complain about other airlines funnelling passengers through their hubs, given that it itself funnells people travelling between the US and Europe/Asia through its Toronto and Vancouver hubs.

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The UAE are the ones who want the bilateral (which was signed by BOTH sides) to be widened. They are the only ones who want more frequencies, definitely not the canadian side. They even want 50(!!!) of them, the equivalent of 7 daily flights to a rather sparseley populated country. What do they have to offer in return?
A conflict would hit the UAE more than Canada. Canada doesn't need the UAE for anything. They have much stronger economic ties to countless countries and Camp Mirage is history and they don't have any use for the bilateral. But the UAE needs even this existing bilateral, because of the overfly rights to the USA (SFO, LAX and ORD wouldn't be possible).
Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, and Calgary can take in 3, 2, 1, and 1 daily flights to the UAE, respectively. The Gulf carriers have more access to Australia (another sparsely populated British descended country), yet Qantas is not going broke; Air Canada only has itself to blame if it goes broke as a result of UAE competition. The Canadian government should respond by inviting Qatar Airways to offer three daily flights to anywhere in Canada, and promote more flights to India, Turkey, and China if it wants to give AC an advantage over the UAE airlines. This is no longer the 1970s where the national airline equals the country.
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Isn't it up to the market to decide what's best for the country? If AC is losing market share to EK and EY, then that means AC needs to be more competitive. The Emirate airlines are not subsidized by the UAE government (confirmed by foreign accounting firms) and in fact pays profits to them. AC is in the world's largest airline alliance and has plenty of partners to choose from (and this includes Air India, flag carrier of the largest destination of EK/EY passengers). AC is in no position to complain about other airlines funnelling passengers through their hubs, given that it itself funnells people travelling between the US and Europe/Asia through its Toronto and Vancouver hubs.


Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, and Calgary can take in 3, 2, 1, and 1 daily flights to the UAE, respectively. The Gulf carriers have more access to Australia (another sparsely populated British descended country), yet Qantas is not going broke; Air Canada only has itself to blame if it goes broke as a result of UAE competition. The Canadian government should respond by inviting Qatar Airways to offer three daily flights to anywhere in Canada, and promote more flights to India, Turkey, and China if it wants to give AC an advantage over the UAE airlines. This is no longer the 1970s where the national airline equals the country.
I'm not sure that you can say 100% that Emirates is not subsidized because every single news source out there says otherwise. That aside, Qantas is also notorius for having blocked airlines from profitable routes. I can't remember if I posted that here or not, but it was Qantas who essentially blocked AC from flying YYZ-LAX-SYD - I think United (a Star Alliance partner nonetheless) also blocked AC from this route as LAX-SYD is a gold mine for those two airlines and they have a monopoly on it. Also, I would be EXTREMELy surprised if each of those cities you mentioned can support the number of flights you're saying - Toronto, yes, could support double daily and maybe Vancouver could support daily with through traffic to the Indian subcontinent, but there simply isn't enough Southeast Asian demand from Calgary or Montreal to justify that kind of service.
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Calgary firms see growth potential in China
14 October 2010
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Is it a coincidence that, in recent weeks Calgary-based law firm Bennett Jones LLP has announced the opening of an office in Beijing and WestJet has inked a code-share deal with Hong Kong-based airline giant Cathay Pacific? Or is that both firms are reading the tea leaves and recognizing that having exposure to the Chinese market is a key ingredient for future growth?

In both cases the reasoning is simple: it's all about market potential. Bennett Jones becomes the second Canadian law firm to put up a shingle in China, following in the footsteps of Toronto-based Blakes, Cassels and Graydon. Not that Calgary-based law firms have not ventured overseas -- McLeod Dixon established its first outpost, in Almaty, Kazakhstan, back in 1995 and has since gone on to open several more, including three offices in South America.

The trend reflects the importance of the resource sector in the global economy and the role Canada is bound to play, either from the perspective of foreign direct investment or capital flowing overseas.

"We're seeing more interest and activity to China from Canada and the other way around," said Perry Spitznagel, vice-chair of Bennett Jones and managing partner of the Calgary office.

"We pride ourselves in being one of the best energy firms in the country, and as China takes more of an interest on the resource side, we felt having a footprint in China, however small, was the right thing to do," he said. "We truly believe we need to be there."

Read between the lines and it's a clear recognition China will continue to monetize its $2.65 trillion US in currency reserves by buying up -- or into -- resource companies in the Western Hemisphere.

Asian companies have committed more than $11 billion to Canada's energy sector over the past 12 months.

Those companies have invested in both oilsands and shale gas opportunities as countries seek to secure supply and diversify risk. This is a trend that is likely to continue, particularly if the U.S. dollar keeps falling.

A presence, therefore, on the ground in China, means Bennett Jones can develop new relationships while leveraging others with a view to acting for any one of the Chinese companies interested in investing in Canada.

"We felt having a physical presence was really important to show we are committed to the market for the long-term. In that respect it's not unlike Calgary," said Spitznagel.

While Bennett Jones has set up shop, the other side to this story has to do with making it easier for people to travel to Canada from Asia -- which is where the WestJet code share agreement comes in

As Spitznagel pointed out, the inbound interest from China into Canada was one of the reasons why Bennett Jones elected to set up shop in Beijing.

As currently structured, the agreement will allow passengers travelling on Cathay Pacific from Asia to seamlessly connect through to Canadian and U.S. destinations on WestJet flights.

"The attraction," says WestJet president and chief executive Gregg Saretsky, "is the size of the market."

He's not kidding.

Earlier this year Canada was put on the list of China's approved destinations, which means Canada can be promoted as a place to visit by Chinese travel agencies.

"The market is ripe to explode," said Saretsky

Here's but one number to think about: China's travel market is estimated at 54 million people -- that's one and a half times Canada's population.

If even a fraction makes it to this country, it's a boon for the airlines ferrying the passengers, not to mention the overall tourism industry. And as everyone in business knows, ease of access to a market is always good from a productivity standpoint and enhances the attractiveness of investment.

Of course, Saretsky and his team aren't resting on their laurels. The goal, he says is to strike similar agreements with a variety of carriers around the world to broaden WestJet's reach and fly to under-served markets.

One such opportunity is Japan -- picking up where Canadian Airlines left off -- the airline offered service from Osaka and Nagoya into Canada. When the company was folded into Air Canada, those flights ended and no one has picked them up. Saretsky points out the lack of service means that it's twice as expensive to fly to Canada from those cities as it was a decade ago.

All this is more than a smart move on WestJet's part, given the added capacity, thanks to new aircraft and the continued softness in the U.S. economy. Despite the fact it serves major cities with aircraft that are generally much newer than those offered by U.S. carriers, the pickup in traffic originating in the U.S. remains a challenge.

Venturing into new markets always involves a significant element of risk, but just as the manufacturing sector lives by the mantra innovate or die, the same holds true in the service business. Only in this case it means expanding market reach, even when times are uncertain, because the only way to ensure long-term growth is to look out on the horizon and see where the potential for new markets exists.

With more options from the perspective of air travel and a law firm with energy expertise on the ground, one has to wonder how long will it will take before a Calgary-based investment firm puts up its shingle in China for the purposes of serving the country's burgeoning energy sector.
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I flew with these in July. I have to say they are an excellent low cost airline, great service, on time, comfortable seats with a tv on each seat, very friendly staff also.
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I'm not sure that you can say 100% that Emirates is not subsidized because every single news source out there says otherwise. That aside, Qantas is also notorius for having blocked airlines from profitable routes. I can't remember if I posted that here or not, but it was Qantas who essentially blocked AC from flying YYZ-LAX-SYD - I think United (a Star Alliance partner nonetheless) also blocked AC from this route as LAX-SYD is a gold mine for those two airlines and they have a monopoly on it. Also, I would be EXTREMELy surprised if each of those cities you mentioned can support the number of flights you're saying - Toronto, yes, could support double daily and maybe Vancouver could support daily with through traffic to the Indian subcontinent, but there simply isn't enough Southeast Asian demand from Calgary or Montreal to justify that kind of service.
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isint giving handouts to badly run national airlines subsdising them?

in that case AC is subsidised and EK is not, strange argument
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ultimate loosers are the canadian population who are starved of more frequency and cheaper seats. Same goes for business travels to and from canada, so what if EK is dumping seats , doesnt that mean people get cheaper seats from the current price gauging AC does on routes they have monopoly on?
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I'm all for allowing Emirates more flights to Canada, but the UAE government's actions are very childish. In this case Canada should respond by permitting Qatar Airways daily flights to three Canadian cities. They should also allow Turkish Airlines and AC to jointly operate routes into the Istanbul hub, which is also fast-growing.

Then the UAE will come back to the table, grovelling.
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ultimate loosers are the canadian population who are starved of more frequency and cheaper seats. Same goes for business travels to and from canada, so what if EK is dumping seats , doesnt that mean people get cheaper seats from the current price gauging AC does on routes they have monopoly on?
Sure, until the low subsidized prices cause the competition to dry up, then we'll see just how cheap the prices are.

That is the oldest trick in the book and the main reason government regulations exist to prevent anti-competitive business practices.
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FORT WORTH, TX, Oct. 19 /CNW/ - American Airlines and WestJet Airlines announced today they have entered into an interline agreement. The interline agreement means American Airlines customers travelling to Canada and transferring to a WestJet flight can purchase a single ticket and check bags through to their final destination.

The agreement provides American's customers seamless connecting service to 25 new Canadian cities not currently served by American or American Eagle. WestJet serves a total of 31 Canadian cities and 71 destinations in 13 countries.

The connections will first be available through the six gateways in Canada currently served by American or American Eagle - Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Vancouver, Halifax and Ottawa. American and WestJet expect to implement a second phase of their interline relationship in December that will add additional connecting opportunities through WestJet's non-stop U.S. flights to Canadian cities.

"American's interline agreement with WestJet complements our North American network and greatly benefits our customers by offering additional connections to and from new Canadian markets," said Virasb Vahidi, American's Chief Commercial Officer. "WestJet offers a high-quality on-board product that our customers will enjoy."

"This agreement represents WestJet's first interline with a U.S. carrier and we are excited to be working with such a well-established and recognized global airline like American Airlines," said Hugh Dunleavy, WestJet's Executive Vice-President, Strategy and Planning. "We look forward to welcoming the many American customers on board our aircraft as guests who will experience WestJet's world-class guest experience."

The interline connecting itineraries will be available for booking on American's award-winning AA.com website, as well as through travel agencies and American Airlines Reservations, effective Nov. 9, 2010.

The companies also said they are exploring other ways to enhance customer benefits through other commercial co-operation agreements.

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Air Canada will hold a conference call for analysts on Thursday, November 4, 2010 to present 2010 third quarter results. Air Canada President and Chief Executive Officer, Calin Rovinescu, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Michael Rousseau, and Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer, Benjamin Smith will be available for analysts' questions. Immediately following the analysts' Q&A session, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Michael Rousseau, and Treasurer, Pierre Houle, will be available to answer questions from bond holders. Media and the public may access this call on a listen-in basis
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