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Old February 3rd, 2014, 03:49 AM   #41
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Great news! Densely populated developing cities really need these.


There is a monorail system U/C in Lagos, Nigeria
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 04:04 AM   #42
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tell me whats the advantage to have monorail over the normal rail?
For densely-packed cities like Mumbai, monorail lines can be one of the best point-to-point supporting public transit systems.
A monorail cannot be and is not the arterial public transport system, but can be the vital link to cover in-between lines and to link neighbourhoods.

(1) Substantially cheaper than Metro rail. A couple of monorail lines can be constructed at the same cost of one Metro rail line.

(2) Quicker to build. Mumbai Metro rail project started years before the Monorail, but still the Monorail line commenced operation first.

(3) Land acquisition is the most difficult and most expensive project requirement in cities like Mumbai. Monorail lines turn easily and much more maneuverable, so it is much more flexible to build. Also, much less destructive to the neighbourhoods, making the project go faster.

(4) Fewer approvals required than Metro rail due to its flexibility and less space required.

(5) Mumbai is building a multi-modal public transport network.
Mumbai's suburban railway network is presently undergoing huge improvements and will always remain the arterial mode of public transport in Mumbai.
Only the large important corridors not covered by the suburban railway will be covered by the U/C Metro rail line(s).
This Monorail line presently only connects Mumbai's eastern fringe areas with the dense eastern suburb of Chembur.
Phase 2, expected to commence next year, will further connect to central Mumbai.
All these modes are being inter-connected.

(6) Road space is very constrained in dense Mumbai neighbourhoods; the Monorail network will help take many buses off these roads, making the on-ground situation more tolerable.
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 07:17 AM   #43
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 07:20 AM   #44
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20,000 ride Mumbai's monorail on Day 1

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Old February 3rd, 2014, 09:41 AM   #45
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But an light rail on elevated track will occupy the same space and have a higher capacity
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 09:59 AM   #46
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But an light rail on elevated track will occupy the same space and have a higher capacity
But if you don't need heavy rail on a route, why'd you put it there? Also, cost.
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 01:14 PM   #47
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But why not spend 10% more (my wild guess) for a 40% more capacity?
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Old February 4th, 2014, 12:01 AM   #48
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Thanks for the likes, Yellow Fever, Pals_RGB, Blackraven, Intoxication and tigalion!

AltinD, since we're freely discussing urban transport in Skybar, surface (at-grade) light rail is out of the question.
The only comparison of monorail can be with elevated rail.
This SCOMI-based monorail is more energy-efficient, much better at making turns and maneuverability, is devoid of unsightly overhead light rail cables, cheaper and quicker to build due to its flexibility.

There are also precedents of successful monorail systems as supplementary mass transit systems along medium-density corridors in high-density cities such as Tokyo, Osaka and central Kuala Lumpur.

Let's look at how dimensionally snug and aesthetically well the Monorail fits in with this eastern corridor :-

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I am talking about elevated track without overhead cables, only. Think Dubai Metro or Bangkok's Skytrain
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PS: I am neither expert, nor I claim to be. Is just that monorail seams like gimmick to me
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Old February 4th, 2014, 09:22 AM   #51
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AltinD, since we're freely discussing urban transport in Skybar, surface (at-grade) light rail is out of the question.
The only comparison of monorail can be with elevated rail.
This SCOMI-based monorail is more energy-efficient, much better at making turns and maneuverability, is devoid of unsightly overhead light rail cables, cheaper and quicker to build due to its flexibility.

There are also precedents of successful monorail systems as supplementary mass transit systems along medium-density corridors in high-density cities such as Tokyo, Osaka and central Kuala Lumpur.

Let's look at how dimensionally snug and aesthetically well the Monorail fits in with this eastern corridor :-




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Old February 4th, 2014, 07:15 PM   #52
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I think Mumbai bring largest city and largest financial centre of India needs proper metro system for huge population

Ahmedabad,Chennai, Kolkata and Hyderabad deserve this type of rail
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Old February 4th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #53
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Monorail and metro rail complement each other, and are not competitors. Mumbai has massive suburban railways that ferry millions. That is the "trunk route". Metro rail is also being built. Monorail usually acts more like a "feeder service".
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I think Mumbai bring largest city and largest financial centre of India needs proper metro system for huge population

Ahmedabad,Chennai, Kolkata and Hyderabad deserve this type of rail

Line 1 of Mumbai Metro will be operational from the next month and all the other cities you mentioned have their own metro systems u/c as well. By 2017-18 about a dozen cities will have their own metro systems + 3 more monorail systems.
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tell me whats the advantage to have monorail over the normal rail?
Usually its claimed that Monorails are a solution looking for a problem

that said

Positives:

monorail climbs better than normal trains and may be useful in areas that are hilly (the reason why it was chosen in Okinawa)
monorail is a good choice for areas where right of way was difficult to acquire
monorail is good for areas where you want to preserve the skyline since it doesn't take up as much of the visual space. Hence it's popular for tourism themed areas (theme parks, etc)
Since right of way is exclusive, there's less chance of accidents/collisions with people or objects.
Potential to go fast due to exclusive right of way

negatives

Track switching involves moving the entire beam and takes time
Trains are usually custom designed for a specific line, so its hard to use off the shelf models with out significant re-design
Evacuation can be more difficult

Capacity is a non-issue, its solely dependent on the design.
The Tokyo Monorail for example is much more huge than other rail systems out there

I can't argue whether monorail was the best choice for this particular city as I am unfamiliar with its land use background
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Old February 5th, 2014, 07:22 AM   #56
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people are living in poor conditions and slums and they build stuff like this..
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Old February 5th, 2014, 10:37 AM   #57
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The cost of a ticket on the monorail is between ₹ 5 and ₹ 11 (between 6 Eurocents to 13 Eurocents) which is comparable or even cheaper than the bus fare.
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Personally I think trams are way better than monorails

What looks more friendly, human and green?

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Personally I think trams are way better than monorails

What looks more friendly, human and green?

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trams were there in Mumbai once but due soon it was realized that buses work better than trams.

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Old February 5th, 2014, 08:43 PM   #60
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well but I think building a monorail and put aside the traffic problem in Mumbai is like avoiding the real problem.
BringMe we are not as knowledgeable as we think we are sometimes. Mumbai is planning and implementing a very large scale urban transportation program if you know. they are building bridges along the sea shore like you see Tokyo with one brindge 25km long , controlled access roads parallel east and west with tunnel cutting through mighty mountains , they are also building a metro system , multi-level flyovers ,skywalks ( a mid air walkway for pedestrians) not to mention that they are in a phased manner upgrading sub-urban railways. they also have in place a world class logistics center and control room. in a recent survey mumbai fared better than many world cities.

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