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Old June 20th, 2008, 10:45 PM   #201
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Tallest building in U.S. proposed for Phila.
By Jeff Shields

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City officials and residents of Center City's Logan Square neighborhood will have the summer to wrangle over a proposed 1,500-foot skyscraper - it would be the nation's tallest - that would be built at 18th and Arch Streets.
Councilman Darrell L. Clarke introduced a bill yesterday to change zoning at the site to allow for the American Commerce Center, a soaring complex of office space, hotel rooms, retail and entertainment. The building would edge out Chicago's Sears Tower, which reaches 1,451 feet, as the tallest building in the United States.
Before people are going to scream that the Chicago Spire will even higher then this building....

...ever heard of sales talk.

IMO every city deserves it's own tallest building of the nation/world.
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Old June 21st, 2008, 05:58 AM   #202
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Before people are going to scream that the Chicago Spire will even higher then this building....

...ever heard of sales talk.

IMO every city deserves it's own tallest building of the nation/world.
Too late! Go read the end of page 8 and all of page 9 there was much discussion regarding the fact this building wouldn't even be in the top 10 for height and about the competency of the reporter who wrote the story.
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Old June 21st, 2008, 06:35 AM   #203
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It's still nothing more than an economically and financially questionable proposal with poor quality rip-off architecture IMO. Sorry guys. Philly deserves better.
A rip-off of something you'd see in Dubai, no less. This doesn't complement the well designed and finely detailed gems on Philly's skyline, I agree. Not refined at all -- in these renderings, at least.
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Old June 21st, 2008, 05:46 PM   #204
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Pa. Developer Proposes Nation's Tallest Skyscraper

PHILADELPHIA — A developer is taking the first steps to get approval for what he says would be the tallest skyscraper in America on a Philadelphia site.

The proposed American Commerce Center, by a development partnership that includes Walnut Street Capital, would have office space, hotel rooms and retail and entertainment facilities. City Councilman Darrell Clarke introduced legislation Thursday for zoning changes that would be needed.

At 1,500 feet, the Commerce Center would top the 1,451-foot Sears Tower in Chicago. The Sears Tower is the tallest building in the United States and the fifth tallest in the world.
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Old June 21st, 2008, 05:59 PM   #205
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Ding ding! We have another winner! Must be that all of the media representatives in the United States are incompetent or completely uninformed, not just the ones in Philadelphia. I can't believe an international news organization like the Associated Press would be so completely uninformed to allow its story like this to go out under their banner!
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Old June 21st, 2008, 08:45 PM   #206
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BTW the proposed tower is only a 63 story office tower, 1,210' to the lower portion of the roof, 1,500' to the top of the spire. The Sears Tower is 108 stories, 1,451 ft to the roof and 1,730 ft to the top of the spire and was completed in 1973 !
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Old June 21st, 2008, 09:36 PM   #207
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You know a lot of people grew up with the Sears Tower as the worlds tallest building being drilled into them in school. Then, once out of school, they never kept up on skyscrapers and naively think the Sears still is the tallest and that there isn't anything out there that will challenge it.

Sad, true, but understandable since not everyone is an engineering junky like we are.

I think we should get away from discussions of newspaper reporting error, in this and all threads, and just focus on the buildings. Who cares if some reporter goofed up? You'll sound like Star Trek fans who go ballistic when some reporter thinks Spock was a Romulan.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 05:01 AM   #208
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You'll sound like Star Trek fans who go ballistic when some reporter thinks Spock was a Romulan.
That's totally absurd! Any reporter who would do that should be put in front of a firing squad.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 04:50 PM   #209
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You guys seem shocked. When do reporters get anything right? For them, getting the story published fast is what matters most. Facts and truths and reality only slow the process.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 07:39 AM   #210
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The reporters are incompetent and misinformed ... thats all. The truth always surfaces. It is our job to call the editors and correct them.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 03:02 PM   #211
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Just for fun I send emails to Fox news that ran the story and AP who distributed the story. Funny how I haven't had a reply from them nor seen any corrections for the story. Goes to show the media really doesn't care about the quality of the stories they publish.
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Actually, and with no disrespect, it goes more to the fact that only about .001% of the population gives a rat's butt about stuff like this. Here's where the info is correct. Sears is the tallest in the nation NOW, if this building miraculously appeared NOW, it would be taller. Thus, tallest in the nation. See, the report is totally factual.


But really....... as a statistical comparison against the total populace.............no one cares!


Let's get back to argueing about whether this thing will get built and discussing how ugly it is, LOL.
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This building won't even match the Freedom Tower's height in NYC.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 08:17 PM   #214
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Actually, and with no disrespect, it goes more to the fact that only about .001% of the population gives a rat's butt about stuff like this. Here's where the info is correct. Sears is the tallest in the nation NOW, if this building miraculously appeared NOW, it would be taller. Thus, tallest in the nation. See, the report is totally factual.
Not actually, read post #206!
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The news people got the story right. Right now, The Sears Tower is the tallest. This thing would be taller. That means they get to say that it will be the tallest in the country.

The FT, CS, etc don't matter because they aren't built yet. The reporters/sales people are perfectly correct in assuming that those towers won't be built, just like we all are assuming that they will.

There's no law that says the CS must be finished. There's no guarantee the FT is ever completed. What if the economy truly goes in the ****ter tomorrow or next month and we go into the next Great Depression? They stop construction of all these things, and whenever we rebound, this Philly project is the first to be restarted and completed.

Insanely unlikely, but entirely possible. Therefore the story is factually accurate, if misleading. When a building surpasses this building's proposed height, then you can b**** about a story like this. Not yet, though.
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The news people got the story right. Right now, The Sears Tower is the tallest. This thing would be taller. That means they get to say that it will be the tallest in the country.

The FT, CS, etc don't matter because they aren't built yet. The reporters/sales people are perfectly correct in assuming that those towers won't be built, just like we all are assuming that they will.

There's no law that says the CS must be finished. There's no guarantee the FT is ever completed. What if the economy truly goes in the ****ter tomorrow or next month and we go into the next Great Depression? They stop construction of all these things, and whenever we rebound, this Philly project is the first to be restarted and completed.

Insanely unlikely, but entirely possible. Therefore the story is factually accurate, if misleading. When a building surpasses this building's proposed height, then you can b**** about a story like this. Not yet, though.

Don't assume that a building like Freedom Tower, or Chicago Spire, won't be built when both are currently under construction.

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Old June 26th, 2008, 02:39 PM   #217
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The news people got the story right. Right now, The Sears Tower is the tallest. This thing would be taller. That means they get to say that it will be the tallest in the country.

The FT, CS, etc don't matter because they aren't built yet. The reporters/sales people are perfectly correct in assuming that those towers won't be built, just like we all are assuming that they will.
Obviously you haven't read all the previous posts. If you read post #206 you'll see that if this building is ever built and nothing else was completed it still wouldn't be the tallest building in the U.S.!

Making the assumption that FT and CS will be completed is certainly a much safer bet than betting that this building will ever be built!

Face it, the reporters that wrote the stories stating this building would be america's tallest didn't know what they were talking about nor did they take any time to research the subject.
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So Jagginator what you're saying is - don't assume that the Freedom Tower won't not get built?
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Obviously you haven't read all the previous posts. If you read post #206 you'll see that if this building is ever built and nothing else was completed it still wouldn't be the tallest building in the U.S.!

Making the assumption that FT and CS will be completed is certainly a much safer bet than betting that this building will ever be built!

Face it, the reporters that wrote the stories stating this building would be america's tallest didn't know what they were talking about nor did they take any time to research the subject.

Holy cow you guys can be difficult.


Not to disturb your media bashing hystrionics by using facts or anything but...................Accounding to the LAW on this subject, the Council on Tall Buildings or whatever they call themselves, the Sears spire is not a spire it is an antennae and therefore it DOESN'T COUNT toward total height. They make the rules about what counts and Sears official height is the roof, not the top of the double pronged white thingy where the little light blinks.


So post #206, while educational and all, doesn't matter in this highly entertaining debate.


The reporter was RIGHT. Limited in explanation perhaps, but nonetheless RIGHT. Sears is the tallest building right now and if this thing would be built it would be taller, that's all the reporter is saying. Now stop with the "yeah but" and "what about" comments and get back to how ugly this thing is. Sheesh you guys can argue over nothing.


So now and I promise this won't hurt.........repeat after me..........the reporter was right.


There now, don't you feel better?
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Old June 27th, 2008, 03:31 AM   #220
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Holy cow you guys can be difficult.



... Now stop with the "yeah but" and "what about" comments and get back to how ugly this thing is. Sheesh you guys can argue over nothing.
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There now, don't you feel better?
I don't think it's ugly. I think it's very modern and it soars.
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