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Old March 20th, 2008, 02:57 AM   #101
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I wonder if the commieblock behind this lot with be demolished? It's entirely out of place in such great location.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 03:49 AM   #102
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Not to mention the towers that are suppose to go up on the Girard block on Market Street between 11th and 12th Streets.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 06:02 PM   #103
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Did you think the same thing when Comcast was proposed? because we all saw how that went... well.

Yes, I did. Again, IMO taller doesn't always mean better. I know this website is dedicated to taller taller taller and that's great but this one man's opinion is that the Philadelphia skyline was asthetically better when one liberty was the centerpiece. This proposal, from the renders I have seen, is an abomination. It is dreadful loking. One Liberty is a beautiful building, this thing............is not.
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Old March 20th, 2008, 11:13 PM   #104
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Well you gotta remember that this is only the planning stage. My guess is that just the way the FT went through different design stages, most likely the ACC will undergo the same process. Experts in Philadelphia have said themselves that it will probably be redesigned so that it fits the city.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 01:04 AM   #105
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I for one hope so. Hopefully have something much better suited for the city.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 06:36 AM   #106
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I think there is a good chance it will happen. I live in University City and was astonished in the just last 2 years the amount of building going on in my neighborhood: the Domus apartments on Chestnut; now the Radian - nearing completion - at 40th and Walnut; the Perelman Cancer Treatment Center at UPenn, the Hub (although very ugly IMO), the Science Center on Market, etc. The neighborhood is full of building activity.
Those are all Penn-supported (with a small amount of support from Drexel) projects with minimal overall city input. You and I both live in the UCity bubble where the extremely local economy supported by the student population keeps afloat these new, largely residential projects.

This Center City tower has nothing to do with UCity and has much to do with the overall economy of Philadelphia and the demand for what looks like would be close to or more than 1 million square feet of space. As a man who keeps up-to-date (maybe too much) on the local real estate scene, I don't think the demand is there for this tower, and I don't think a developer would be able to secure financing for something this large and this speculative right now. Perhaps in the 5-10 year range, but definitely not now.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 06:43 AM   #107
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wow, great looking tower, hope it gets approved!
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Old March 21st, 2008, 06:45 AM   #108
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You dont sound like a skyscraper lover. Liberty Place is just ok. To me, it always looked like a knock off the Chrysler building. Liberty Place 2 is even worse. Comcast is far more impressive IMO.


Nope, I'm a skyscraper lover. I agree with one of the previous posters--height doesn't always mean better. I am one for fantastic quality architecture, and this building doesn't have it. Give me a 1500-footer with an amazing design and then come back to me.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 05:08 PM   #109
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I was listening to some real estate guy on the radio yesterday. He was convinced that not only will this building will go up, but the equivalent of 10 of these will be required in the next 10 years. With interest rates so low, and the financial market in turmoil, Commercial real-estate is relatively attractive right now. Or so he was saying…
It's changing fast. CMBS (commercial mortgage backed securities) are more than unpopular among investors, also due to falling ratail sales and industrial output companies cut costs - laid down workers, in offices also. Even in NY it's happen now.
Sad thing for skyscrapers maniacs, as in US cities is proposed a lot of top quality projects - like this one.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 01:04 AM   #110
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 03:38 AM   #111
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1,500-foot tower plan in Philadelphia heralds new era of super-tall skyscrapers

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1,500-foot tower plan in Philadelphia heralds new era of super-tall skyscrapers

By Inga Saffron
Inquirer Architecture Critic


The most notable fact about a new proposal to build a record-breaking 1,500-foot skyscraper at 18th and Arch Streets isn't the building's stunning height. It's that its height isn't an issue for Philadelphians.
Two decades after this city underwent a wrenching public soul-searching over the prospect that the 945-foot-tall Liberty Place would overshadow the City Hall tower, the first question many are asking about the proposed American Commerce Center is: "What are the odds of its getting built?"

Slim but better than zero, city real estate handicappers say. Yet even if this statuesque tower never takes its place alongside the skyline's current pinnacle, the 975-foot Comcast Tower, it's a good bet Center City will see skyscrapers of the same immense scale piercing the clouds in the not-distant future.

One Liberty Place held the title of Philadelphia's tallest building for 20 years, until it was overtaken last year. Its successor is unlikely to wear the mantle for long, predicted John Gattuso, the Liberty Property Trust executive who built Comcast's glass obelisk.

"There's a high probability we'll see super-tall towers in the next round of building," he said. "When will we get to the height of the one that's proposed? Who knows? But it's wonderful that Philadelphians are thinking in those terms."

In general, it seems that tall buildings are getting taller. During the recent condo boom, 400-foot towers became commonplace in many cities, including Philadelphia. Now, super-tall towers, as their champions call them, are going through the stratosphere.

New York is building the 1,776-foot Freedom Tower at Ground Zero to replace the lost World Trade Center (1,368 feet). It soon will be bested by Santiago Calatrava's swirling 2,000-foot Chicago Spire. Both buildings, however, will have to look up to Burj Dubai, which will soar a half-mile above the earth at 2,300 feet after its completion in the United Arab Emirates next year.

Heavyweights of the super-tall club are mainly rising in go-go financial centers such as Dubai, Shanghai and Hong Kong, eager to present a visible statement of their ambitions. But the architect A. Eugene Kohn, who has designed two of the world's highest buildings and is overseeing the American Commerce Center plans, contends that any city that expects to remain competitive in the energy-conscious 21st century will have to embrace super-tall buildings.

"When these towers are well planned and served by transit, they're incredibly energy-efficient," said Carol Willis, director of New York's Skyscraper Museum. They make cities more livable by providing the critical mass to justify amenities, she believes.

Walnut Street Capital, the investment group behind the American Commerce Center, clearly thought the lot at 18th Street met the criteria for a super-tall building when it paid $30 million for the half-block property last year. Though the site does not connect to the Suburban Station Concourse, architects are looking at ways to extend that underground passage, which now terminates under the Comcast building. The site is accessible to SEPTA, Amtrak and the airport.

Like most super-tall towers, American Commerce would offer more than one use. The complex would include a hollowed trapezoid on the 18th Street side that would rise 477 feet and include a 33-story hotel, three levels of shops, movie theaters, and a conference center, as well as landscaped plazas served by cafes and restaurants. Another retail level is designated for a big-box store such as Crate & Barrel, and there is room in the underground level for a supermarket.

Yet despite the center's boast of soaring 1,500 feet, its office tower would top out at just 1,200 feet. A 300-foot spire would poke out from its asymmetrically sliced crown - like a toothpick in a martini glass. That crown, incidentally, is a virtual clone of the original design that Daniel Libeskind submitted for Freedom Tower in 2003.

The complex probably would be faced in glass, but the architects are a long way from completing the details. While northwest corners would be angled, the Center City side appears dully squared off.

One odd thing about the 1,200-foot tower, which would be on the 19th Street side of the site, is that it would contain just 62 office floors above the eight-story base of amenities. That would give American Commerce about 1.3 million square feet of office space, roughly the same as the Comcast building, which has 57 floors and a similar footprint. American Commerce's total would be 2.2 million square feet.

Most of today's super-tall towers, Willis noted, are residential buildings. They need fewer elevators than offices do, and they don't have to waste precious floor space on bulky service cores.

For many Philadelphians, it's hard to imagine a big project of either type getting off the ground with a recession looming. Yet this market doesn't follow a typical pattern.

Other than the Comcast building and the petite Cira Centre, there has been virtually no office construction here since the 1991 real estate crash. The city's office buildings are as technologically out of date as a five-year-old laptop and have trouble satisfying companies that want fast Internet and high energy efficiency.

So, although the real estate market has stalled, American Commerce's investors believe there is a pent-up demand here for new high-tech offices. The strategy, said attorney Peter Kelsen, is to take advantage of low office rents to lure out-of-town companies that are eager to cut costs. Philadelphia's rents are half of New York's.

If American Commerce can find a starter tenant to take 30 percent of its floor space, the project could get a green light. Because it is backed by a pension fund, Walnut Street Capital won't need to scramble for bank financing.

But it will be competing with Liberty Property Trust and Brandywine Realty, which also plan new office buildings. Unlike Walnut Capital, those companies have proved they can build a tower.

Source - http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ho...yscrapers.html
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 05:55 AM   #112
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Again I say this will be a fantastic building but the previous article has this taller than the former twins. In reality the 1368 ft twins are being compared to the 1368 ft Freedom Tower and the 1200 something foot building in Philly. The spires make it seem that FT is over 400 ft taller than the former twins and this building taller than the Sears Tower. Not long ago the famous building war between Sears/Petronas had all Sears lovers crying fowl. I took the side of Sears. That was a debacle.

No doubts this is a beautiful building and a treat for Philadelphia BUT I wouldn't compare it as 525 ft taller than Comcast.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 11:56 AM   #113
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i made 3D models of American Commerce Center with Sketchup. If you want to download here is the link:

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Old March 24th, 2008, 04:11 AM   #114
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i made 3D models of American Commerce Center with Sketchup. If you want to download here is the link:

NICE JOB!!!! Got skillz!!!!
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Old March 24th, 2008, 05:02 AM   #115
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I hope this tower can attract a major tenant that would sign up for a long term lease.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 05:16 AM   #116
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I hope this tower can attract a major tenant that would sign up for a long term lease.
Not likely.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 06:23 AM   #117
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Not likely.
Why not

Perhaps Disney might want to reconsider Philadelphia again?

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Old March 25th, 2008, 11:19 AM   #118
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Perhaps Disney might want to reconsider Philadelphia again?

You never know.
whats the Disney history with Philly?
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Old March 25th, 2008, 06:02 PM   #119
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whats the Disney history with Philly?

Years and years back there was talk of an attraction of some sort in Philadelphia. I'm not certain anymore of what was being thrown around but if memory serves it never went very far.


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Old March 25th, 2008, 07:36 PM   #120
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Too few floors for it's hieght, another stupid spire design, and Philadelphia politics. Three strikes and yer out, LOL.

I grew up in Philly, and knowing how "business" there gets done I'd be suprised to see this happen. I always thought the skyline was terrific when One Liberty was the king of downtown. Taller doesn't necessarily mean better IMO.
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