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Old March 25th, 2008, 08:47 PM   #121
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Old March 26th, 2008, 02:19 AM   #122
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whats the Disney history with Philly?
Disney was planning a park at the Delaware waterfront and there was talk about a 100 story tower by the river.

I'd be interested in knowing if Disney might reconsider Philadelphia again.
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Old March 26th, 2008, 08:20 PM   #123
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Disney was planning a park at the Delaware waterfront and there was talk about a 100 story tower by the river.

I'd be interested in knowing if Disney might reconsider Philadelphia again.
Don't count on it. Geez, where do you guys get these ideas from? Start talking about more realistic companies that might be expanding WITHIN Philly, not companies that might come TO Philly. My guess is, if anything, this building would try to attract large pharmaceuticals companies who would like to expand their office space, law firms, and perhaps banks.
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With the wage taxes that I would guess are still there, the politics of the City, the mass transit shortcomings of the area, and especially with Eagle fans, why would any business relocate to Philadelphia?


I lived 30 of my 43 years in that area. When anyone outside ripped on Philly we had a slogan......Don't pick on Philly, it's a sh%thole, but i's OUR sh&thole. It is what it is. Unfortunately it isn't satisfied to be what it is, it wants to be NYC.


Philadelphia won't draw much from outside with the tax issues you face just for the privaledge of working there and many other problems it has. If they want to build and lease soemthing like this they really need to focus on business that is already there. Banking and pharmaceuticals. trouble with the pharms is that they are very comfy out in the western 'burbs. Again, with the taxes and transportation, why go downtown?
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Old March 26th, 2008, 11:58 PM   #125
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I sure hope this tower gets built. With the economy hitting lows, one never can feel to confident about this tower or other great towers that have been proposed around the Nation.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 08:04 AM   #126
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With the wage taxes that I would guess are still there, the politics of the City, the mass transit shortcomings of the area, and especially with Eagle fans, why would any business relocate to Philadelphia?


I lived 30 of my 43 years in that area. When anyone outside ripped on Philly we had a slogan......Don't pick on Philly, it's a sh%thole, but i's OUR sh&thole. It is what it is. Unfortunately it isn't satisfied to be what it is, it wants to be NYC.


Philadelphia won't draw much from outside with the tax issues you face just for the privaledge of working there and many other problems it has. If they want to build and lease soemthing like this they really need to focus on business that is already there. Banking and pharmaceuticals. trouble with the pharms is that they are very comfy out in the western 'burbs. Again, with the taxes and transportation, why go downtown?
Well if there's one thing I do know, it's NOT trying to be NYC. Just because they're close together and have histories that sometimes are similar doesn't mean a thing. They're so very different. Truth is, Philly has A LOT to offer. Just taking a long walk in and around Center City, hanging out in Old City, Manayunk, South Street, and the old Italian Market you really get a sense that Philly is one of a kind. But it's not the right timing to push a 1500-foot tower, especially one that has little architectural value.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 04:23 PM   #127
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I meant from a business and theatre standpoint. We'll agree to disagree on the City and its merits. Great historical City, that's for certain. What you mentioned were positives to the place, but the weather and transportation nightmare that it has become more than outweighed long walks in center city. But we digress, this website is about the building, not the City itself.

I think we agree though, that this building, as it is drawn, doesn't work. And right now with banks the way they are with lending, I can't see a developer actually getting financing to build it.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 11:34 PM   #128
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Pennstar, agree with your take on Philly attracting pharma, law and banking firms. I would even add insurance firms to that list. A 1500 foot tower will have architectural value no matter how it looks, besides, whats most important for a builder is getting returns out of it.

Coming back to Disneyland Philadelphia, lets just kill this thought right here. Knowing Philly, there is no way in hell a Disneyland will come here. Besides, Philadelphia already has Six Flags and Hershey Park.

No doubt Philly is a great cultural city, but from the business point of view, I would say that its still less important than Boston or DC. Of course, NYC is NYC. Philly's great unionism and dirty politics are also a big turnoff. Oh, and Septa!
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Old March 27th, 2008, 11:37 PM   #129
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Years and years back there was talk of an attraction of some sort in Philadelphia. I'm not certain anymore of what was being thrown around but if memory serves it never went very far.


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Pennstar, agree with your take on Philly attracting pharma, law and banking firms. I would even add insurance firms to that list. A 1500 foot tower will have architectural value no matter how it looks, besides, whats most important for a builder is getting returns out of it.

Coming back to Disneyland Philadelphia, lets just kill this thought right here. Knowing Philly, there is no way in hell a Disneyland will come here. Besides, Philadelphia already has Six Flags and Hershey Park.

No doubt Philly is a great cultural city, but from the business point of view, I would say that its still less important than Boston or DC. Of course, NYC is NYC. Philly's great unionism and dirty politics are also a big turnoff. Oh, and Septa!
Sure, a building that is 1500 feet tall will have architectural value simply because it is tall, but quality is what we aim for. The value it has would be very little if it looks like this in the end--especially if it's simply tall because of a silly spire.
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Pennstar, agree with your take on Philly attracting pharma, law and banking firms. I would even add insurance firms to that list. A 1500 foot tower will have architectural value no matter how it looks, besides, whats most important for a builder is getting returns out of it.

Coming back to Disneyland Philadelphia, lets just kill this thought right here. Knowing Philly, there is no way in hell a Disneyland will come here. Besides, Philadelphia already has Six Flags and Hershey Park.

No doubt Philly is a great cultural city, but from the business point of view, I would say that its still less important than Boston or DC. Of course, NYC is NYC. Philly's great unionism and dirty politics are also a big turnoff. Oh, and Septa!

You are right about architectural value, but even beingthat tall, ugly is still ugly. I agree with Pennster that a building being tall just because of a 300 ft spire is ridiculous.

The Pharma firms, as I said above, are very comfy in the suburbs. Folks can drive to work, park their cars and not face a 90 minute drive home. There is no need or desire for them to move downtown. And as you said, you have the SEPTA nightmare if you do head downtown.

Philly had a lot of strikes against it for this type of thing and they all stem from the way the it operates. Heavy heavy unionization makes contruction overly expensive, financing right now is impossible to get, no project of this scope will get built without heavy heavy local tax incentives, Philadelphia is in no position to give out incentive on that scale, there is a wage tax placed on people wgho work there, and last but not least the mass-transit system is broken, decaying, and corrupt.


Other than that things are great.
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Old April 1st, 2008, 06:23 PM   #132
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When starts the construction ?


PS: congratulations from Germany...........the country without great skyscrapers (exception frankfurt am Main) to the old and new skyscraper-nation...
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 03:54 AM   #133
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[QUOTE=SkyscraperFreak92;19384331]When starts the construction ?/QUOTE]



Smart money says...........never
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 04:51 AM   #134
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It's quite possible, though; there are taller skyscrapers going up all over the US, more than any other period in time, and in places you'd never expect with supertalls in places you'd never expect to see them. To deny this is the act of an idiot.

If they try hard enough, they can get this project going; it all depends on backing. I love how people say crap like, "It will never be built" in every other thread. A 600m+ building is one thing, but all it takes is money these days.
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 04:55 AM   #135
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When starts the construction ?


PS: congratulations from Germany...........the country without great skyscrapers (exception frankfurt am Main) to the old and new skyscraper-nation...
http://dcnonl.com/article/id27046

"If American Commerce can find a starter tenant to take 30 percent of its floor space, the project could get a green light. Because it is backed by a pension fund, Walnut Street Capital won’t need to scramble for bank financing."

How are we gonna let SSP have more interest than us?? http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=147514
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Old April 5th, 2008, 02:18 AM   #136
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Time for more pics!


City skyline in daytime


City skyline in nighttime


basement level(s)




Vieuw from basement to the top!


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link (with nice intro): http://acctower.com/

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Old April 5th, 2008, 03:01 AM   #137
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YouTube movies!

Philadelphia announces 1500FT "American Commerce Center"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o69vqJtJRI

Philadelphia's Next Skyscraper?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLALk...eature=related
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The skyline will look amazing, good design.
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You are right about architectural value, but even beingthat tall, ugly is still ugly. I agree with Pennster that a building being tall just because of a 300 ft spire is ridiculous.

The Pharma firms, as I said above, are very comfy in the suburbs. Folks can drive to work, park their cars and not face a 90 minute drive home. There is no need or desire for them to move downtown. And as you said, you have the SEPTA nightmare if you do head downtown.

Philly had a lot of strikes against it for this type of thing and they all stem from the way the it operates. Heavy heavy unionization makes contruction overly expensive, financing right now is impossible to get, no project of this scope will get built without heavy heavy local tax incentives, Philadelphia is in no position to give out incentive on that scale, there is a wage tax placed on people wgho work there, and last but not least the mass-transit system is broken, decaying, and corrupt.


Other than that things are great.
ha ha, well, despite all our problems, we are still one over our sports team and their lack of success.

Also, you are right about the Pharma firms staying in the suburbs or jersey or Delware. With the current economic scenario, it seems unlikely this project will start anytime soon, if at all.
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