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Old September 25th, 2013, 10:58 AM   #41
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Definitely.

In my opinion:

Los Angeles
Sao Paulo
London
Toronto

...among others, are overrated.
Toronto??

Whenever I see comments like this all I think about is one of those people who goes on X Factor or American Idol thinking their the dog's bollocks but can barely hit a right note and walk of be laughed at.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 04:26 PM   #42
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Definitely.

In my opinion:

Los Angeles
Sao Paulo
London
Toronto

...among others, are overrated.
Why Toronto? I agree with the rest, but Toronto is a world class skyline. It's easily among the top 10 best skyllines as of now. It's fame and popularity is perfectly justified

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And people like you have helped achieved notoriety on this forum as being biased against certain cities. London being one of them.

As I said. London is not rated so how can it be overrated?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If all the worlds best skylines are full of modern skyscrapers which all look practically the same as the next skyline then it's a pretty dull comparison and a very dull way to look at things.

If anything. The fact you over look the different types of architecture and shapes and uses on the London skyline shows a distinct lack of architectural knowledge and the fact you judge asthetics and the terminology of "skyline" merely on height and number begs the question ... what are you actually doing on this forum??

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Where is the skyline? What I see is some trees, lowrise buildings, spires and domes of churches, a wheel (!) and 8/9 highrises in the background. If you call this a good skyline, then it's definitely overrated and doesn't even qualify to be called a skyline IMO
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #43
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Where is the skyline? What I see is some trees, lowrise buildings, spires and domes of churches, a wheel (!) and 8/9 highrises in the background. If you call this a good skyline, then it's definitely overrated and doesn't even qualify to be called a skyline IMO
Let's not get into this type of interchange again. If you think the London skyline is overrated, fine! If people think church domes and cathedral spires are part of what make a great skyline, they are entitled to. If it's not your taste, that's fine too. There are just better ways of expressing it.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #44
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Old September 25th, 2013, 06:17 PM   #45
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Let's not get into this type of interchange again. If you think the London skyline is overrated, fine! If people think church domes and cathedral spires are part of what make a great skyline, they are entitled to. If it's not your taste, that's fine too. There are just better ways of expressing it.
I apologise if I have been rude, but that's what I feel. Ok bro, I wont comment here like this again...
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Old September 25th, 2013, 06:35 PM   #46
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I apologise if I have been rude, but that's what I feel. Ok bro, I wont comment here like this again...
I just don't want this to turn into a city-bashing festival. We don't allow it here on SkyscraperCity. If certain things about a city just aren't your taste, then you are entitled to that. Just keep the conversation civil.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #47
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New York, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo and London is the most overrated.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 06:49 PM   #48
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I think Sydney is *starting* to fall into the overrated category. Still incredibly beautiful, dense, and impressive, but no longer the best in Australia and living off reputation in that regard. Looking forward to seeing what the new (more substantial) construction can do for it, but at this point Melbourne is blowing it out of the water, and I only see that gap widening. Height limit in downtown hurts.
Melbourne is hardly blowing it out of the water. Sydney still has vastly more density and a lot more skyscrapers. Add to this Sydney also has multiple skylines that are developing at a rapid rate and it becomes obvious you don't really know what your talking about. You can't discount North Sydney, St Leonards, Chatswood, Parramatta, Rhodes, Olympic Park, Bondi Junction etc etc. Sydney does suffer from strict height restrictions in the CBD but that isn't stopping suburbs like Parramatta knocking up tall skyscrapers. Sydney will kill off it's height restrictions in coming years and with that we will see supertalls. Let's see what Greenland is going to put up in midtown and then hopefully we will see some movement on height with the redevelopment of Central rail yards. While I don't like what they are doing at barrangaoo, it is still the largest urban renewal project in Australia and with it will come a huge area of commercial and residential space not to forget a world class casino and 7 star hotel on the harbour.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #49
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Where is the skyline? What I see is some trees, lowrise buildings, spires and domes of churches, a wheel (!) and 8/9 highrises in the background. If you call this a good skyline, then it's definitely overrated and doesn't even qualify to be called a skyline IMO
And the above is the exact problem we have. Maybe we should define the definate word in threads like these at the beginning to avoid this ignorance.

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1. the line at which the earth and sky appear to meet; horizon
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This is the problem that we now have. It seems skylines are now only depicted as being highrise steel framed buildings smoothered in glass by a good percentage of people.

Up until the 19th century, domes and church spires dominated the skylines of the worlds major cities. That hasn't changed. All that's changed is new technology and the ability to add different shaped structures of greater height to the equation. What London offers is those domes, spires, etc with the modern equivalent, albeit it with the modern equivalent being less evident to other major cities world wide. However it has monuments and spires and domes mixed in with their a modern equivalents which makes it in my honest opinion, much like La Defense and Istanbul, one of the most attractive skylines in the world.

If you are telling me you would much prefer to look at 100's of glass boxes stacked side by side then that is your choice.

Only a few cities in the world can pull it off to a degree where you go WOW.

London, Paris, Istanbul has a different WOW factor on it's skylines. A historical WOW factor mixed in with modern architectural wonders.
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I have to give Faisal Shourov right. London include definitely not (yet) at the best skylines in the world . Even in Europe here are denser skylines (eg Paris, Frankfurt) in which the same number of skyscrapers in a cluster are
and are not divided into two clusters. But London has most major skyscrapers in Europe in planning. (12x 200m, approx 26x> = 150m)---> London - Full Summary of Projects

Therefore, I believe in the future London can catch up with cities like Miami or Toronto.


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Old September 25th, 2013, 07:24 PM   #51
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And the above is the exact problem we have. Maybe we should define the definate word in threads like these at the beginning to avoid this ignorance.



This is the problem that we now have. It seems skylines are now only depicted as being highrise steel framed buildings smoothered in glass by a good percentage of people.

Up until the 19th century, domes and church spires dominated the skylines of the worlds major cities. That hasn't changed. All that's changed is new technology and the ability to add different shaped structures of greater height to the equation. What London offers is those domes, spires, etc with the modern equivalent, albeit it with the modern equivalent being less evident to other major cities world wide. However it has monuments and spires and domes mixed in with their a modern equivalents which makes it in my honest opinion, much like La Defense and Istanbul, one of the most attractive skylines in the world.

If you are telling me you would much prefer to look at 100's of glass boxes stacked side by side then that is your choice.

Only a few cities in the world can pull it off to a degree where you go WOW.

London, Paris, Istanbul has a different WOW factor on it's skylines. A historical WOW factor mixed in with modern architectural wonders.
I'm sorry if u feel offended, but I don't find any wow factor in London's skyline. London's cityscape is still stuck in 19th century and hasn't modernized very much. Those Gothic architecture might have impressed me 100 years ago, but there are much more visually striking skyline in the world right now. London's skyline looks basically flat against the ground from a distance, and this doesn't fascinate me as a skyscraper enthusiast
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Old September 25th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #52
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emm overrated skylines like what? give me example please...
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Old September 25th, 2013, 09:10 PM   #53
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New York, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo and London is the most overrated.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #54
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If you don't count the 5-6 supertalls, the rest of Hong Kong is this:

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I can see why someone would label Toronto as overrated. Personally, I am not of the opinion that it's either overrated or underrated (yet). Too much still going on and I prefer not to make judgments regarding rapidly developing skylines.

However, if I were inclined to make the overrated argument, my key points would be as follows:
1. Too many of the posters on this site like to include the "proposed" numbers as part of the city's total. These buildings aren't there yet. The city is (and has been) exploding, but nothing is a given. It could certainly catch Chicago within the next 5-7 years, but it hasn't yet, so let's slow down until more of these buildings are actually finished.
2. It seems to me, as an unbiased observer, that 80% of the new construction is just similar colored blue-glass towers. Many of these (residential) towers seem like the glass is not of the highest quality either. It's sort of like a "Vancouverisation" of Toronto. I think the waterfront area in particular is a cross between incredibly impressive, and very sterile looking. When you look at something like the following picture, I just don't find it as aesthetically pleasing as it would be with a little bit more variety in color and material.

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Melbourne is hardly blowing it out of the water. Sydney still has vastly more density and a lot more skyscrapers. Add to this Sydney also has multiple skylines that are developing at a rapid rate and it becomes obvious you don't really know what your talking about. You can't discount North Sydney, St Leonards, Chatswood, Parramatta, Rhodes, Olympic Park, Bondi Junction etc etc. Sydney does suffer from strict height restrictions in the CBD but that isn't stopping suburbs like Parramatta knocking up tall skyscrapers. Sydney will kill off it's height restrictions in coming years and with that we will see supertalls. Let's see what Greenland is going to put up in midtown and then hopefully we will see some movement on height with the redevelopment of Central rail yards. While I don't like what they are doing at barrangaoo, it is still the largest urban renewal project in Australia and with it will come a huge area of commercial and residential space not to forget a world class casino and 7 star hotel on the harbour.
I actually do know what I'm talking about as I follow Australian skylines pretty closely. Sydney definitely has more current density, and a bit more volume, but all of the peaks create a level, plateau-like feel for the main skyline.
Melbourne, on the other hand, has more peaks and valleys, taller towers overall, and more impressive (immediate) construction going on, highlighted by the Pearl Tower (taller than any building in Sydney).
Maybe Sydney's suburbs will be more impressive, but I don't think that Parammatta building a supertall is going to necessarily improve the skyline of downtown Sydney. Also, as you said yourself, the most major construction project there (barangaroo) is not exactly lighting up the world with its design.

Now if Sydney's height limit DOES lift, then Melbourne's growing lead certainly isn't insurmountable in the future. It's just that, given current construction, it looks like Melbourne will hold the "best Australian skyline" crown for the next 5 solid years.
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I can see why someone would label Toronto as overrated. Personally, I am not of the opinion that it's either overrated or underrated (yet). Too much still going on and I prefer not to make judgments regarding rapidly developing skylines.

However, if I were inclined to make the overrated argument, my key points would be as follows:
1. Too many of the posters on this site like to include the "proposed" numbers as part of the city's total. These buildings aren't there yet. The city is (and has been) exploding, but nothing is a given. It could certainly catch Chicago within the next 5-7 years, but it hasn't yet, so let's slow down until more of these buildings are actually finished.
2. It seems to me, as an unbiased observer, that 80% of the new construction is just similar colored blue-glass towers. Many of these (residential) towers seem like the glass is not of the highest quality either. It's sort of like a "Vancouverisation" of Toronto. I think the waterfront area in particular is a cross between incredibly impressive, and very sterile looking. When you look at something like the following picture, I just don't find it as aesthetically pleasing as it would be with a little bit more variety in color and material.
I'd actually consider Toronto a bit underrated tbh. It's so beautiful and unique but doesn't get mentioned a lot when people discuss skylines.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 06:34 AM   #59
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I'd actually consider Toronto a bit underrated tbh. It's so beautiful and unique but doesn't get mentioned a lot when people discuss skylines.
I think that is because a lot of people are only familiar with lakefront profile of the city. I didn't realize how far from the lakefront the Toronto skyline extended until Isaidso showed me a few years back.
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I actually do know what I'm talking about as I follow Australian skylines pretty closely. Sydney definitely has more current density, and a bit more volume, but all of the peaks create a level, plateau-like feel for the main skyline.
Melbourne, on the other hand, has more peaks and valleys, taller towers overall, and more impressive (immediate) construction going on, highlighted by the Pearl Tower (taller than any building in Sydney).
Maybe Sydney's suburbs will be more impressive, but I don't think that Parammatta building a supertall is going to necessarily improve the skyline of downtown Sydney. Also, as you said yourself, the most major construction project there (barangaroo) is not exactly lighting up the world with its design.

Now if Sydney's height limit DOES lift, then Melbourne's growing lead certainly isn't insurmountable in the future. It's just that, given current construction, it looks like Melbourne will hold the "best Australian skyline" crown for the next 5 solid years.
It's good to see you following our local projects but I don't believe this is expert analysis, living here provides a very different perspective. Sydney's density completey surpasses that of Melbourne's. The only thing Melbourne does have over Sydney is a small number of taller towers, which is hardly a reason for it to be considered clearly out in front. Sydney's skyline is by no means a plateau shape it's been strictly managed to form a pyramidal shape and many photographs will evidence this. Sydney tower is taller than Eureka so as far as height goes Sydney still leads Melbourne. I also challenge you saying Melbourne has more impressive intermediate construction in process. How can you discount Barangaroo, it might not be world best from a stylistic point, but it is bringing with it significant floor space and an entire new harbour-side precinct which is far greater than any competing project in Melbourne, add to this the entire redevelopment of Darling Harbour and I fail to see how anyone could assume Melbourne was leading anything. Melbourne has a beautiful and interesting skyline but with that small height win it massively fails on density and certainly fails dismally on development outside the core CBD.

Satellite skylines are indeed part of Sydney's DNA and can't be overlooked. Melbourne is decades behind on this front. North Sydney alone has some significant new proposals and Chatswood is also seeing significant renewal through projects that almost double the heights of current towers. while they might not directly impact the CBD they have a significant impact on the city overall.
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