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Old September 25th, 2013, 07:24 PM   #1
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Unsafe skyscrapers

Hey folks, as was discussed in the Voluntarily demolished skyscrapers thread, there should be a separate thread for buildings that aren't structuraly safe for occupancy, so here it is. Here are the first building to go

The Ocean Tower in South Padre Island was a prestigeous residential skyscraper under construction in 2008. It aimed to offer the ultimate views of the Gulf of Mexico. However cracks observed in the structure in 2008 have halted the construction. At first the developer reassured that the building has been delayed but when they found out that it has sunk 14 to 16 inches into the ground they decided to implode it. The implosion was done on the 13th of December 2009.



http://www.rioleo.org/an-engineers-n...dre-island.php

The Deutshe Bank building in New York City was hit hard by the collapsing South Tower of the World Trade Center on 9/11. Debris from the South Tower tore a 24 story hole into the north face of the building and Deutsche Bank squabbled 3 years with its insurers about what to do with the building. Finally in 2004 an agreement was reached, however it took another 3 years before the deconstruction started in 2007.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/ny...streetnyc&_r=0

The Ryugyong Hotel in Pyongyang was meant to be the pinnacle of the pride and propaganda of the North Korean government. Construction begun in 1987 but in 1992, after the building was topped out, it was put on hold. The initial cost of the building was estimated to be 750 million dollars, which is equal to 2 % of North Korea's GDP. Later in the 1990's the European Union Chamber of Commerce in South Korea sent a delegation to inspect the building. The inspectors concluded that the building was built out of poor quality concrete, its elevator shafts were crooked and that it was beyond repair. Despite these facts, the North Korean Government refused to demolish their symbolic building and after 16 years of being on hold, the government reached an agreement with the Egyptian company Orascom to finish the building. Despite the building being clad, it remains an open question whether any internal work was, or will be ever made.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/06/tr...ers/index.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20178985

The Torre de la Escollera was intended to be the tallest building in Colombia. This prestigeous residential skyscraper begun construction in 2005 however suffered structural damage during a big storm on the 13th May of 2007. After the damage has been assessed it was decided to dismantle the steel structure of the building and so it became the third tallest building to be ever destroyed (only the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center were taller)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torre_de_la_Escollera

The Saint Pierre Cathedral in Beauvais in France begun construction in 1247 however in 1284 the main tower of the cathedral collapsed. The rest of the cathedral remains standing even to this day. The reason for the collapse of the main tower is said to have been caused by insufficient supports.



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Old September 25th, 2013, 10:52 PM   #2
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Just so you all know, the renovators of the Ryugyong Hotel, a concrete/telecommunications company from Egypt, said that they had "not too many problems" with it, meaning it was safe enough to work with and become habitable. A structural analysis from a Dutch textbook, analyzed by a Macedonian team in Korea from 1992, said the building was designed to withstand earthquakes as well. The Y-shaped base also provides extra support against lateral and vertical force.

Nobody has any information of the ones who said the building was unsafe, except for that they were supposedly South Korean and are now defunct. Newspapers copy/paste this "analysis" because they have no other sources of info to find.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #3
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never heard of Ryugyong Hotel being unsafe and for cathedrals there are tons that had their top burned down and similar things, they get destroyed and rebuilt all the damn time. never heard of the one in colombia before, would have been an interesting building.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:09 PM   #4
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Man that Torre de la Escollera reminds me of my childhood .
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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #5
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Sometimes rumours are taken too far. How South Koreans got in the most secret construction site in the world in their enemy country, where South Koreans can't really visit, to claim their top building project is unsafe is also a bit suspicious. Maybe they just judged from some bad rainy photos and that's it.

An actual unsafe skyscraper, that had to be demolished in Christchurch, NZ, after the earthquake that destroyed half their town. You can see the extent of the damages, due to the building not being designed for proper earthquakes.


It's not just photo warping, either. That's a real crease from damage.


20 Fenchurch Street's design is dangerous becuase it can burn or blind someone who looks too much in the concentrated sun rays from its concave facade.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:29 PM   #6
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Menara Saidah, Jakarta, ID is one example of an unsafe highrise in Jakarta.

The building is said to be built on a burial ground (Jakarta has a lot of cemetaries ) and it (if 'm right) was structurally unsafe .



lobby


basement parking


canteen


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Source > http://finance.detik.com/readfoto/20...ak-berpenghuni

Oh, and more 'horrors/problems' with this highrise can be found at (Not using English) > http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1481474
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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:32 PM   #7
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Torre David, Caracas, Venezuela, is the tallest slum in the world and the most violent skyscraper in the world. There are no safety in the tower!

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Old September 26th, 2013, 12:23 AM   #8
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Just so you all know, the renovators of the Ryugyong Hotel, a concrete/telecommunications company from Egypt, said that they had "not too many problems" with it, meaning it was safe enough to work with and become habitable. A structural analysis from a Dutch textbook, analyzed by a Macedonian team in Korea from 1992, said the building was designed to withstand earthquakes as well. The Y-shaped base also provides extra support against lateral and vertical force.

Nobody has any information of the ones who said the building was unsafe, except for that they were supposedly South Korean and are now defunct. Newspapers copy/paste this "analysis" because they have no other sources of info to find.
Please, this thread is about generaly accepted facts, not about conspiracy theories. No 9/11 conspiracies like that the Twin Towers fell from a controlled demolition or that 9/11 was an inside, no pyramid conspiracies like that they were built by aliens, they were built by humans but with alien technology or that they were power plants and no other conspiracies, like your North Korean worship conspiracy where you say that the whole world is lying, only North Korea tells the truth about their own building, which by the way happens to be the most important building in their infamous propaganda. Conspiracy theories are not welcome in this thread.

Also, no lies please:

1,There never was a Macedonian inspection. There was a joint North Korean-Macedonian inspection, which of course means the North Koreans were the authors of that report as well.

2, No Dutch has ever claimed that that inspection was objective, or even done in the first place. The inspection was only published in the Netherlands and as we all know, in the free world everybody can publish pretty much everything everywhere.

3, There is information, we know that it was the European Union Chamber of Commerce, which is an international organization with members from both South Korea and the European Union, that organized the inspection. We also know the findings this inspection found. We know all we need.

4, The European Union Chamber of Commerce still exists. It was restarted in 2012 http://www.ecck.eu/

5, There is absolutely no information or source that would suggest, that the whole world, including news giants like BBC and CNN, dozens of other web pages and 2 books are "copy/pasting" and are not doing their job for which they are paid and which generates the income for their news portals.

6, Damaged concrete isn't the same as poor concrete quality. Damaged concrete can be restored if the damage isn't too heavy, but there is nothing to be done about a building built completely from poor quality concrete and this won't manifest in any visible way until it's too late.

To put the long story short, the whole world believes in the ECCK report, nearly nobody except for North Koreans and a few conspiracy theorists believes the North Korean-Macedonian report. Just take a look at how many links there are for the ECCK information and how many links there are for the North Korean information (there is a single one as far as I know). Here are some of them:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/06/tr...ers/index.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20178985

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-north-1482682

http://books.google.sk/books?id=a46g...mmerce&f=false

http://www.quora.com/Architecture/Wh...s-in-the-world

http://happygoluckyworld.com/tag/ryu.../#.UWbW3ZOeNrN

http://www.triposo.com/poi/W__45397243

http://sometimes-interesting.com/201...-the-ryugyong/

http://www.unfinishedbuildings.org/ryugyong.html

http://www.orientexpat.com/forum/131...een-it-before/

http://architectuul.com/architecture/ryugyong-hotel

http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/r/ryugyong-hotel.html

http://www.theruggedgent.com/2012/01...eas-deathstar/

http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/n...rea/hotel2.htm

http://openbuildings.com/buildings/r...l-profile-1690

http://www.hotelowner.co.uk/index.ph...ally-open.html

http://www.hoteliermiddleeast.com/15.../#.UWbY4JOeNrM

http://www.ibtimes.com/north-koreas-...en-2013-858175

http://www.liverpoolwired.co.uk/news...open-next-year

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/North+Korea's+'Hotel+of+Doom'+to+Open+as+Luxury+Venue+in+2013.-a0307270952

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/bacolod/li...failure-279691

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2...f-north-korea/

http://books.google.sk/books?id=wifx...page&q&f=false - page 82

As to Orascom, there is not a single one company that ever said, "what we're building might collapse but its owner offered us a good deal so we couldn't have refused it". If companies engage in dubious activity they would never admit it. That is fundamental logic. As to North Korea, we know that not spreading propaganda in every way possible is punishable by death not just for the "criminal" but for his/her entire family, so again it is fundamental logic that if these people praise their country it has absolutely no credibility. And these things have sources as well, namely documentaries both about North Korea and about dubious company operation. They can be found all arround the internet.

Finally I'd like to appeal to ThatOneGuy that he stops writing his conspiracy theories. What he finds "suspicious" is only his speculation, he has no sources for it so it is only his speculation. If it is not just speculation prove it, show me links. Sources are the difference between conspiracy theories and accepted facts.

But if it would just hurt his reputation, so be it, but it hurts the reputation of the whole forum. It is his fault that articles as this one are roaming the internet:

http://www.theinklingmag.com/fields-...rapercity-com/

This writer should have obviously spent some time on SSC, not just read a few pages of one thread and then post a negative review, but I can understand the bad impression he has gotten from the hotel's thread. In it, ThatOneGuy and a handful of other forumers not only defended their conspiracy theory about the hotel, but also defended the North Korean electricity shortages (they claimed that they don't need night lights) and what's truly disgusting, even the North Korean holocaust (they claim that North Korea has no choice, that it is the fault of the UN and their sanctions).

But enough of this, I said all there was to say and I trust that everybody knows where the facts and where the conspiracy theories are. Now let's go to other unsafe skyscrapers. Guyed masts, while not being buildings, are tall structures too and I'd like to include them in my thread. There have been many accidents of these in the past and I think I should list some of the most tallest ones:

The Warsaw Konstantynow radio mast was the tallest structure on the planet for 17 years and even today only the Burj Khalifa is taller. It was built in 1974 but in 1991 it collapsed due to an error in guy wire maintenance. The question remains, if such a small error can result in a collapse, is this mast safe? Are guyed masts in general safe?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast

The KATV radio mast in Arkansas was a 2 000 feet guyed mast, the second tallest structure to ever collapse and it as well collapsed during guy wire maintenance.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KATV_tower
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That comment looks like an entire conspiracy theorist's website.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 12:34 AM   #10
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This is what I am talking about. I have no fear of providing links (23 links) for what I say. You on the other hand just post a smart mouthed comment. Please leave this thread if this is all you intend to do here and let others post here in peace
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Old September 26th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #11
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You seem to be the only one on the site who honestly believes all that, haha. It's not just a coincidence on a skyscraper site that barely anybody is agreeing with you. You really think Orascom is in insurance fraud with North Korea, like you once suggested, and you wonder why people laugh? I'm defending the building as I see fit and repetitive western media articles with copy/pasted sources won't change that.

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Old September 26th, 2013, 04:57 AM   #12
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Guys, I love you both, but this debate has been run into the ground countless times. Can't you see that you're both going to disagree in the end no matter what? This is an interesting thread, but when you guys start arguing about Ryugyong for the umpteenth time about it, it gets old. Can you please agree to disagree for the sake of the thread?
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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:32 AM   #13
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big trial...ryugyong safe x ryugyong unsafe..
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It doesn't take much to fell a guyed mast. I've done a bunch of them.
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I also demolished a bunch of unsafe buildings in South Florida where the builders cut corners and substituted beach sand in the concrete mix. Beach sand has Salt in it which corroded the rebar. You could knock a column out with a sledge hammer.
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The Harmon Tower in Las Vegas is another one.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #17
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i remember that Torre de la Escollera story. even without the damage it definitely doesn't look very safe
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Torre David, Caracas, Venezuela, is the tallest slum in the world and the most violent skyscraper in the world. There are no safety in the tower!

It's a shame to see this building under these conditions.

190 meters height of total depression.
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We demolished over 40 buildings in Mexico City after the earthquake. We could have easily demolished 40 more. They just grouted up the cracks and painted the walls. We called it "Anti gravity paint" So if you are staying anywhere in Mexico, I wouldn't stay on a floor any higher than I am prepared to jump out of.
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Rougyong Hotel in Pyongyang?
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