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Old October 17th, 2013, 03:52 PM   #41
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The problem with Germany and Poland is you never know if an historic building you're admiring is authentic or made of fibre glass.

I think there is a real problem in conservation in those countries because once a historic building is lost, a replica can just be built. I prefer a conservation philosophy that results in cities where you know an old building is old, and when its lost, its lost for good - it makes genuine heritage more valuable.
Can't agree with your argument. Germany and Poland lost so much of their wonderful architectural heritage during WW2 and in the Communist era, why shouldn't they get some of it back to beautify their cities that had become such ugly, unappealing places for people to live in? As for made of fibre-glass, well yes that is ridiculous and should be banned, but the majority (certainly the major rebuilds) are made of correct materials so will weather very well over the years.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 04:35 PM   #42
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The criminal court building was built from 1902 to 1906 by the architects Rudolf Mönnich und Carl Vohl. It is one of the largest court buildings in Europe, only Brussel's Palais de Justice is bigger. Fortunately this building survived the war almost untouched, so no worries about it being a fibre glass replica.

The inside of the court is just as imposing as the outside. Unfortunately the internet wouldn't let me share better pictures with you:


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http://pappnas-photos.de/fotos/kriminalgericht-moabit/
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Old October 17th, 2013, 10:43 PM   #44
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Just some random impressions for you:

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Konzerthaus Berlin and Deutscher Dom by marvelgulp, on Flickr

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Konzerthaus Berlin by marvelgulp, on Flickr

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Untitled by kion15, on Flickr

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Berlin unter den Linden by SylviaArms, on Flickr

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Amtsgericht Berlin Mitte by diptanandana, on Flickr

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Herz-Jesu Berlin 014 by wanus, on Flickr

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Bode Museum by waxorian, on Flickr

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Museum für Kommunikation, Berlin by Cornelli2010, on Flickr

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Moltke2 by J. Knaack, on Flickr

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Untitled by mdoors, on Flickr
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Old October 17th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #45
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Cityhall of district Charlottenburg

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Rathaus Charlottenburg von Tobi NDH auf Flickr

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Rathaus Charlottenburg von Hotel Berlin, Berlin auf Flickr

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Rathaus Charlottenburg von Spreeroi!ber auf Flickr

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1899/1905 Berlin Athene von August Vogel Rathaus Charlottenburg Otto-Suhr-Allee 100 in 10585 von Bergfels auf Flickr

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1899/1905 Berlin Gerechtigkeit und Weisheit von August Vogel Rathaus Charlottenburg Otto-Suhr-Allee 100 in 10585 von Bergfels auf Flickr
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Old October 18th, 2013, 03:41 AM   #46
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Old October 18th, 2013, 09:44 AM   #47
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It's by the way a courthouse too! One of Berlin's finest Jugendstil/Art Nouveau examples. I'll post something about it in the future.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 06:51 AM   #48
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....All your images are stunning. thank you for sharing!
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Old October 20th, 2013, 07:42 AM   #49
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Let's introduce Berlin's oldest two churches: Nikolai Church and St. Mary's Church. Both stand right in the historical center of Berlin, were both destroyed by war, but restored with great care.

St. Nikolai, built ca. 1220 AD, today a museum:

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Nikolaikirche by Mark Heine Photos, on Flickr

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Neben der Nikolaikirche by Helmut Reichelt, on Flickr

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2013-06-23 by Giåm, on Flickr

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Hinter der Nikolaikirche by Helmut Reichelt, on Flickr

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Nikolaikirche, Berlin-Mitte by nevs_71, on Flickr

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Berlin /Nikolaikirche 03 by www.itineri.de, on Flickr

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St. Mary's, built ca. 1292 AD, today the oldest still as a church used church of Berlin:

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St. Marienkirche by Mark Heine Photos, on Flickr

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Marienkirche by SC Verschuren, on Flickr

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Fernsehturm and Marienkirche by Dave Gorman, on Flickr

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Berlijn, Marienkirche (13e eeuw) en de Neptunus fontein, Duitsland 2012 by wally nelemans, on Flickr

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Berlin, Marienkirche 1 by paspog, on Flickr

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Berlin, Marienkirche 3 by paspog, on Flickr

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3158 St. Marienkirche by golli43, on Flickr

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Berlin St. Marien Schlüter-Kanzel (1703) by Wolfsraum, on Flickr

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Old October 20th, 2013, 12:04 PM   #50
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Too bad the spires of Nikolaikirche weren't reconstructed as they were before the war but rather in a much simpler way.

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Volle Auflösung. Quelle: "Berliner Plätze", Max Missmann
As for Marienkirche, a beautiful church but unfortunately standing much alone in the middle of a post-war wasteland surrounded by modernist cr*p architecture. Berliners must really reconstruct the old market square around it!
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Old October 20th, 2013, 02:08 PM   #51
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"Riehmers court garden" Kreuzberg

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Awesome! That's what Johnny likes!
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St. Marys after war:

Not really that hard destroyed...



St. Nikolai after war, here in front of the pic, was hitten harder, but also not completly destroyed:

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Fantastic impressions there!


But could you please be so kind and reduce the amount of images per post? I think 5 pics per post at most would be sufficient. Thanks!
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Old October 20th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #55
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These images really enrage me! Most of the buildings around the church could easily have been reconstructed. One of them right next to the church wasn't even destroyed! And yet all of it was razed to the ground! Oh the madness!
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Old October 20th, 2013, 02:33 PM   #56
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Yes, after War came the GDR( commis) and they destroyed lot of 90% health buildings extra.
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Yes, sadly that's what they did and not only in Berlin. Don't let me start talking about Dresden...
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German destruction of the remains of WW2

WW2 destroyed or heavily damaged an average of 33% of the buildings of 60 out of the 100 largest German cities (pop. 75.000 and higher) and damaged a further 33% lightly (in most instances the roofs!). In most instances the center of towns was destroyed allmost completely except for a few streets or buildings. Example: Chemnitz (335.000) lost most of its city center, but all other quarters were virtually undamaged!!!

After the war the Germans teared down the remains of most heavy damaged buildings (except for a few per city to be rebuilt in a "simplified" way). Furthermore they razed about 40% of all remaining structures or simplified them in such a way that they were a shadow of their past. This they called: "modernization". Notorious cases were the Vineta Platz area in Berlin, Bahnhofsstrasse in Bonn, Marien Platz and Isar Ufer buildings in München. Almost each city lost hundreds to thousands of valuable buildings. Allmost all tall Gründerzeit buildings disappeared .........(!!).

If they have had any sense they had the possiblility to recover almost completey but chose otherwise. Chemnitz for example could have been 100% intact nowadays, while perhaps now only 40% remains to be admired. They (the GDR) demolished almost half of the suburbs and the remains in the city center!!!! Of coarse nothing has been reconstructed of all the lost beauties and wealth.

If the Polish treated German heritage better in Stettin (Sceczin)or Breslau (Wroclaw) remains to be seen, beceause they also try to erase German typical architecture like the Wilhelmische Baustill (German Gründerzeit).

Like in Dresden the Polish more or less choose buildings from earlier epochs wenn they want to fill the holes or replace the Gründerzeit types.

So I remain very sceptical and the real wealth of buildings (with their interiors) will certainly never return, not even in ONE single city!
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WW2 destroyed or heavily damaged an average of 33% of the buildings of 60 out of the 100 largest German cities (pop. 75.000 and higher) and damaged a further 33% lightly (in most instances the roofs!). In most instances the center of towns was destroyed allmost completely except for a few streets or buildings. Example: Chemnitz (335.000) lost most of its city center, but all other quarters were virtually undamaged!!!

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If they have had any sense they had the possiblility to recover almost completey but chose otherwise. Chemnitz for example could have been 100% intact nowadays, while perhaps now only 40% remains to be admired.
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Chausseestraße 13, district Mitte

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