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Old October 16th, 2013, 12:09 PM   #1
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NEW YORK | One Park Lane | 369m | 1210ft | 80+ fl | On Hold



1 Park Lane is tower second from left

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According to the 16 Oct. 2013 edition of the NYT, the Park Lane will be razed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/ny...Xw2KmVjpvvk1yA


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Macklowe Plans 850-Foot Tower at 36 Central Park South



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36 Central Park South New York Times: Harry Macklowe — who purchased the 46-story Park Lane Hotel tower for $660 million last year at 36 Central Park South, in Midtown — has plans for a replacement 850-foot condominium tower; air rights associated with 40 Central Park South are also looking to be merged.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 12:31 PM   #2
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strange development.

My question is if you spend 650 millions for the building is like to spend a 650 million for a building site.is so high price,my fear is that developer will choice a banal cheap architecture..to have money back and profit.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #3
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This won't be easy:

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The Park Lane Hotel redevelopment could be a soaring pain in the ass:
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/0..._come_next.php

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As expected, the estate of Leona Helmsley is selling the Park Lane Hotel for more then $650 million to the Witkoff Group. Previously reports said that the development team was something of a collaboration between Witkoff and Harry Macklowe, but Macklowe's name is not mention in today's Journal article detailing the deal. Witkoff plans to turn "the bulk of the property" into high-end condos, but it's still unclear if that means the current building will be converted or if they'll knock it now and start anew.

Both routes have their complications. If the tower is torn down, a rezoning would be necessary to build a taller tower; current regulations would allow for a building two-thirds the size of the 46-story, 370,000-square-foot hotel.
No way a rezoning would occur without a promise to preserve the CPS streetwall. Hotel workers would rush into Bill de Blasio's office to block the Park Lane closing. And various entities looking to build nearby or who already own towers will fight any change. Witkoff has their work cut out for them. They may need another acquisition next to the Park Lane to do anything massive...



This shitty hotel is Leona's final revenge upon the city!

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Yep, nothing but Trouble!
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Old October 17th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #4
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The glorious Park Lane Hotel: "Will you be staying for one hour, or two?"


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Old October 17th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #5
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This won't be easy:

No way a rezoning would occur without a promise to preserve the CPS streetwall. Hotel workers would rush into Bill de Blasio's office to block the Park Lane closing. And various entities looking to build nearby or who already own towers will fight any change. Witkoff has their work cut out for them. They may need another acquisition next to the Park Lane to do anything massive...
Yes the Hotel Union would be a handful but they will have no say over the site especially if the developer decides to omit the hotel and decide to redevelop this into a dedicated retail/residential mix use.

There are no hopes that this tower would benefit with MER, because this is technically on the west side of Midtown. Hehe.

So, under the current zoning I think they can only build 3/4 the size? Not sure, but anyway, this would eliminate options as far as razing and building from the ground up.

As a viable alternative given under the current zoning, I’ll use what the developer did with 425 Park before the MER proposal to skirt the zoning rules. Using the same ratio’s as example. Witkoff may just have to demolish 75% of the building by retaining the bottom 25% of the original tower. This all would depend on the floor-area ratio Park Lane currently has.

The current 425 has 32 floors with the height of 388ft according to emporis and by using the 25% retain and 75% new formula, they where able to propose a tower of 855 ft in height.

According to Emporis, the Park Lane is 450ft tall. So maybe it would be possible to grow this sucker to at least 900ft in height maybe taller if they can find some available air rights somewhere.

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Yep, they should find an opportunity to transfer air rights. But a 900 footer wouldn't be bad either.
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The glorious Park Lane Hotel: "Will you be staying for one hour, or two?"


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What! and risk getting dumped by some chick all because I bring her here for a rendezvous? heck no! lol.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 02:01 AM   #8
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This heinous c.u.n.t's real name was Mindy Rosenthal. Supposedly, she was a nasty bitch.

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She did for 19 months in the slammer, lol.



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I hate to see mid-century buildings get torn down, but this one has always bothered me for some reason. Probably due to the blank walls and kitsch curved window tops.

Some better looking interior shots:



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Old October 18th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #11
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I hate to see mid-century buildings get torn down, but this one has always bothered me for some reason. Probably due to the blank walls and kitsch curved window tops.
Not to mention how all that ugliness broke a classic early 20th century streetwall. It has some classical Modernist elements but the overall product is poor.




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Personally I like some variation in a street wall. In many european cities old buildings are perfectly aligned with the street wall and I feel it makes it too corridor-like.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 03:38 AM   #13
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This tower will be at least 900 feet. For those not from NY, Google the site and observe how it stretches to 58th St.
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I hate to be a downer, but the level of development activity on CPS is bordering on distasteful at this point. Granting that it's not exactly a sight to behold, is it really necessary to demolish a pre-existing near-50-story building just to get a plot on this particular street? Talk about wasteful.
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It's better to kill a big ugly building than a small beautiful one. I think fixing a mistake is a good thing.
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I hate to be a downer, but the level of development activity on CPS is bordering on distasteful at this point. Granting that it's not exactly a sight to behold, is it really necessary to demolish a pre-existing near-50-story building just to get a plot on this particular street? Talk about wasteful.
Were it any other building on CPS I would agree with you as i think this is one of the most iconic area of NYC and that beautiful scenery should be preserved. This tower, however does not fit the rest of CPS in terms of style, unlike most people here I don't necessarily think it's a horrible looking building (there's worse in NYC), but there's nothing special about it either especially in that area, so it's quite expendable if you ask me. I just hope they come up with a design that complements that area, and I might disagree with some in this forum, but I actually hope they don't go too tall as something above 1000 ft would seem a little out of place, a 920 footer like 220 CPS would be fine. (now behind 58th street, all bets are off, I hope they go as tall and as crazy in design as they can)

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This won't be easy:

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The Park Lane Hotel redevelopment could be a soaring pain in the ass:
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/0..._come_next.php
It would have to be deconstructed piece by piece. That could take quite some time.
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That's actually just the rear annex on 58th St. Anyway, buildings this size have been razed frequently in NY.
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I understand why it's done (good location leads to prestige which leads to land value increase, leads to prestige, leads to land value increase, so on, so on), and it'd be fair to see this is coming from a place of ignorance, but it just seems so stupid on the face of it. I mean, are there no places on lower Central Park West or 5th Ave, which wouldn't require such large-scale demolition, that are worth developing? Or, are is there no development there due to stubborn landownership, etc....or am I just missing developments a rash of occurring?
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. Hotel workers would rush into Bill de Blasio's office to block the Park Lane closing.
Like I say, prepare your anus...
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