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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #81
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Revealed: 50 and 55 Hudson Yards



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Related has new renderings up at Time Warner Center depicting The Hudson Yards, and in addition to dramatic changes for the Equinox Tower, a model depicting 50 and 55 Hudson Yards has been revealed. As YIMBY reported in early October, Related has expanded their presence in the neighborhood dramatically, acquiring the entire block to the north of the railyards. The two new buildings increase the site’s scope by nearly 4 million square feet.

...55 Hudson Yards will still stand a similar height to the Coach Tower, which will be approximately 900 feet tall. 55 Hudson Yards will be joined by 50 Hudson Yards, aka ‘The McDonalds Drive-Thru Tower,’ which is another major addition to Related’s assemblage. That building will crack the 1,000 foot mark, and appears slightly shorter than the Hudson Yards North Tower.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #82
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^ There's already a thread ... 50 Hudson Yards aka 2 Hudson Blvd aka McD site lol. Threads should be merged.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #83
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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:17 PM   #84
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This staircase thing is the building going up? If it is... horrible. Ruins the whole Hudson Yards in my opinion. In previous designs, it looks like there was some sort of cohesive design idea behind the whole project, now it looks Related is just throwing buildings into the mix haphazardly.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:20 PM   #85
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^ It's a place holder and far from being built. I wouldn't worry too much.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #86
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I agree! Look what just happened to 35 Hudson Yards at this stage of the game.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #87
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^ It's a place holder and far from being built. I wouldn't worry too much.
'relief'
they definitely need to come up with something better than this.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 02:57 AM   #88
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'relief'
they definitely need to come up with something better than this.
Also, I suspect that TW and the other tenants of the North Tower will demand that McD not block views to the north, and the current version blocks them.

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Old December 6th, 2013, 03:09 AM   #89
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They should just build a twin of 30 HY but sloping the other way to not block views to the North for this tower.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 06:32 AM   #90
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This is one of the fattest, boxiest designs of all time.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 06:37 AM   #91
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I like it and I think it would be impressive from street level. You can't fully judge a tower by its model or render because it often turns out nicely.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 06:45 AM   #92
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I'm surprised by all the hate. I think it looks like a classic NYC office building. I realize it's probably a long way from whatever we'll ultimately get (sometime in the "2020s" by the sound of it), but if this was going to be the tower we ultimately get, I'd be all for it.

Honestly, if anything, I think it casts the main four towers of the Hudson Yards into an unflattering light, as their designs get increasingly jumbled.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 08:30 AM   #93
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Classic NYC office buildings are hideous. The 50s are over!!
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^For the most part, yes...the vast majority of NYC skyscrapers built from the 50's to fairly recently have been uninspired to downright hideous at best. They tore down, for example the magnificent Penn Station and what we have there now is the less than awe inspiring Madison Square Garden and the downright awful, if tall Penn Plaza building. I'm not crazy about either new office building design... actually really liking the re- worked Equinox Tower but the two new office buildings? Is Related out of their freaking minds? The shortened 55 Hudson is uninspiring.. liked the old patterned lattice design, this leaves me cold. 50 Hudson is an atrocity... you'd think they'd want something of vision, something that pops and impresses but the staggered box format doesn't work for me at all. It's ugly, too... is this current design really what will rise at that Mc Donald's site? Very disappointing if it does, since the main four towers that will be built first are very good together... glad the Culture Tower remained pretty untouched except for some minor tweaks, but wishing it had stayed at 914ft instead of being pushed down a bit to 870ft.

One question... what about the tower known now as the prospective "Girasole"? Where in the area is it located and what are the current plans for its height and usage...heard rumblings of a height increase and conversion from an office to a residential tower.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 01:55 PM   #95
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They should just build a twin of 30 HY but sloping the other way to not block views to the North for this tower.
That is a good one. I don't see any other way to fix this.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #96
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Actually I'm starting to like this building and here's why? It will be the West facing setbacks and that will be the most important element of this tower. I think as a pedestrian strolling around within either the Plaza or the Boulevard park the site will be amazing.




50 Hudson Yards design is not meant to steal the spotlight from the HY's center piece 30 HY and there is a this saying – The whole is greater than the sum of its parts

The awkward bulkiness of 50 Hudson's (Mc D) North and South facing facades will not be a factor since the views of the tower will be sandwiched and blocked by both supertall towers 30 HY (North) and Sherwood Equities Tower, so I think it would not matter.



Just imagine a 1,000ft plus Sherwood Tower right in front of it on the North side

I don't have a pic of this tower showing views from the East but I can say that the tower looks like your typical boxy skyscraper so aesthetically it will not rock the boat standing tall between Sherwood and 30 Hudson.

I think when all the Boulevard Towers spring up and the Phase Two project completes, the design won’t matter as much just as long as the side which would matter the most (Plaza Facing fašade) would complete the overall experience in this exciting vertical forest of concrete and steel and I think with this design it would accomplish it.

Anyway, b4 its all said and done... this will most definitely undergo a several itineration's to refine the look just what had occurred with 35HY (Equinox). If this is what we would get, I just hope maybe they can add a crown like Citigroup Center on top of it.

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I highly doubt that's what will be built, and I also doubt that anything but a multi-story retail box will be built there any time soon.

Clearly, Related has acquired the entire site. Oddly, however, ACRIS does not reflect any recent transfers of the McD's site.
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I highly doubt that's what will be built, and I also doubt that anything but a multi-story retail box will be built there any time soon.

Clearly, Related has acquired the entire site. Oddly, however, ACRIS does not reflect any recent transfers of the McD's site.
yea the acris thing is weird. Anyway, maybe Related already has some company for this tower that we are not aware of hidden in their pockets. The same goes with 55 HY's! I mean why feature these 2 towers only when they have the whole 2nd phase to work on which they have not even bothered to reveal at this stage.
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yea the acris thing is weird. Anyway, maybe Related already has some company for this tower that we are not aware of hidden in their pockets. The same goes with 55 HY's! I mean why feature these 2 towers only when they have the whole 2nd phase to work on which they have not even bothered to reveal at this stage.
I'm sure that they use special purpose vehicles to make new acquisitions, but nothing recent is on ACRIS. Maybe they have a contract but haven't closed yet.
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Why build 50 & 55 before WRY?

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yea the acris thing is weird. Anyway, maybe Related already has some company for this tower that we are not aware of hidden in their pockets. The same goes with 55 HY's! I mean why feature these 2 towers only when they have the whole 2nd phase to work on which they have not even bothered to reveal at this stage.
"Why feature these 2 towers (50 & 55)"? Practicality/$$/timeframe: 50 & 55 would be built on terra firma and 55 HY ALREADY has a tower foundation. Plus it has a direct connection to the #7 subway upper mezz. WRY would require a platform/platform foundations. I assume the 55 HY site will be officially Related's when the #7 extension opens for revenue service June 2014

IIRC somebody had made a comment that there was, or would be soon, RFQs for the 55 HY structural steel out for bid.

Amtrak/MTA might also delay the WRY if the Amtrak Gateway tunnel box extension under the WRY had not been built by the time Related turned to the WRY.

Note that the Phase III High Line renovation that wraps around the WRY is just a placeholder till there is a concencus/$$ as to what gets built there.

Note also that the renders that include 50 & 55 show the lot between 33 &34/11th & 12th still containing truck trailers...

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