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Old January 27th, 2014, 10:35 PM   #21
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EGIP Final Business Plan has been published: http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/...n_27012014.pdf

Phases 1 and 2 (6tph) – has a Benefit Cost Ratio of 1.3 (1.7 including wider economic benefits).

Phase 1 on its own (4tph) has a BCR of 0.7 (0.8 inc WEBs).

Ministers will take a view at a later date around EGIP Phase 2 and Glasgow-Edinburgh HSR. If the HSR option is chosen it will reduce the EGIP Phase 1 BCR to 0.6 (0.7 inc WEBs) due to abstraction of journeys from EGIP towards the HSR line. This is based on HSR service of 3tph between Central - Haymarket - Waverley with 30 min journey time. This assessment is not of the benefits of HSR, but of the high level impact on EGIP Phase 1 should HSR be progressed, and the result should be treated with a large degree of caution. The economic case for HSR is being separately developed by TS.

Benefits from the re-development of QS are not captured in the analysis, ie. accessibility and “ambience” benefits of a newly redeveloped station; benefits to the public realm; and the significant retail benefits.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 11:32 PM   #23
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Some info on EGIP Rolling stock requirements from the Business Case:

"..EGIP includes the procurement of 40-50 EMUs each of around 96m in length. Cars of 23m are therefore required rather than the more typical 20m EMU cars used in the UK. These will be compliant with all applicable standards.

In order to meet the performance requirements of the EGIP timetable (specifically the end to end journey times), the rolling stock must be compatible with NR standard 25kV overhead line system; be 100 mph capable; have a seating capacity no less than existing Class 170 Express operating on the E&G; and be capable of achieving 30 second dwell times with a minimum 15 second door open."
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Old March 21st, 2014, 05:57 PM   #24
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It would be good to see some proper Intercity trains between EDB and GLQ again!
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Old March 24th, 2014, 01:20 AM   #25
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Judging by that 23m carriage criterion, they'll most definitely go for Desiro's, and probably get Siemens to make another batch of 380s.

Although, seeing as the 380 was a sort of intermediate step between the old Desiro UK (used all over England) and the Desiro City (the new Thameslink Class 700), It'd be great if we got brand new Desiros of a different design.
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Judging by that 23m carriage criterion, they'll most definitely go for Desiro's, and probably get Siemens to make another batch of 380s.

Although, seeing as the 380 was a sort of intermediate step between the old Desiro UK (used all over England) and the Desiro City (the new Thameslink Class 700), It'd be great if we got brand new Desiros of a different design.
It'd also be a chance for Siemens to show off how the Desiro City is a modular unit and can be used on urban metro services as well as interregional expresses. However I imagine the 380 will be chosen as this appears to be the Desiro express which was talked about (mentioned in a modern railways issue.) which has a top speed of 115mph etc.
Having said this a bombardier aventra product may be chosen since they too are 23m coaches. Abellio (one of the new franchise bidders) put out a tender for new EMUs so I guess it'll be a more standard job rather than the recent deals seen with Thameslink and IEP.
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Old March 28th, 2014, 08:01 PM   #27
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19 May 2014

ELECTRIC trains have entered service on the 50km Glasgow to Cumbernauld line, after an £80 million upgrade of the route. The number of trains each day has risen from 36 to 59, and the seating capacity has more than doubled to 11,500.

Scottish transport minister Keith Brown joined commuters on the route this morning. He said: "The launch of these electric services is a huge milestone for the Edinburgh-Glasgow Improvement Programme and the Cumbernauld electrification has been delivered on time, on budget and well ahead of this summer’s Commonwealth Games, as promised.

“EGIP is one of the biggest infrastructure investments by this government and a central part of our ambition to ensure a railway which is fit for Scotland’s future. It will result in 30 per cent more seats and around 20 per cent faster journey times on our flagship route."

As well as electrification, EGIP also includes station modernisations at Haymarket and Glasgow Queen Street as well as a new station at Cumbernauld.

Mr Brown continued: "All the partners involved have worked well to get to this stage and we are now getting to see these exciting plans beginning to come to life.”

ScotRail managing director Steve Montgomery welcomed the start of the new service, saying: “The electrification of the Cumbernauld-Glasgow line is a major step forward for this exciting project, and one that delivers real benefits for customers.

“More than 800,000 journeys are made on this route each year and I have no doubt this will continue to grow now that we are introducing more modern, regular and reliable trains."

David Dickson, Network Rail's new route managing director for Scotland, added:* “We are pleased to have been able to deliver another significant part of the strategically-vital Edinburgh-Glasgow Improvement Programme on time, on budget and in readiness for the Commonwealth Games.

“We are making good progress elsewhere in developing plans for the electrification of the main Edinburgh-Glasgow line and with the redevelopment of Glasgow Queen Street."

Meanwhile, it is being reported that an announcement about the new, separate Caledonian Sleeper franchise is imminent, with Serco said to be leading the field with a 'luxury' bid. The other contenders are Arriva and ScotRail's existing operator FirstGroup.

http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2014/...launch-of.html
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This is a big scheme for Scotland and will be a vast improvement on what is available now. I would also at some stage in the future like to see Aberdeen- Edinburgh electrified, as this is a busy and well used route.
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Old June 10th, 2014, 02:44 PM   #32
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Funny how little comment has been passed with the changes to the Glasgow / Cumbernauld route and service.

Terrible reporting -- Doubled the distance of the services.
How did that happen -- Churnalism or tectonic plates moving?

Service is now a joke.
1 semi fast train per hour.
2 slow services -- slow as in 39 minutes QS to C/nauld.

What a complete joke.
Another Wee Eck inspired high cost / low utility transport upgrade.

New station building -- Joke all round.
Old building seemingly too close to the wires?
Until you see the position of the new building.

Whatever happened to the proposed Abronhill Station?

Maybe if we were more careful / less wasteful in what we are building there would be cash left over for other projects.
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Old June 10th, 2014, 05:11 PM   #33
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Funny how little comment has been passed with the changes to the Glasgow / Cumbernauld route and service.

Terrible reporting -- Doubled the distance of the services.
How did that happen -- Churnalism or tectonic plates moving?

Service is now a joke.
1 semi fast train per hour.
2 slow services -- slow as in 39 minutes QS to C/nauld.

What a complete joke.
Another Wee Eck inspired high cost / low utility transport upgrade.

New station building -- Joke all round.
Old building seemingly too close to the wires?
Until you see the position of the new building.

Whatever happened to the proposed Abronhill Station?

Maybe if we were more careful / less wasteful in what we are building there would be cash left over for other projects.
The current service is only temporary and is probably the least bad compromise. Although the Springburn reversing services are slower than they used to be, there are now two of them so overall the service is just different rather than worse and for some people it would be an improvement. Once the high level station is electrified and work on electrifying the way through Falkirk Grahamston is finished, the service will be even better than it ever was. If they had spent money on the Garngad Chord then they would be forced to run services via the low level forever in order to justify its construction - if this is later found to be a good idea for additional services (e.g. 2tph to the high level, 2tph through the low level) then it can be added back on without any difficulty.
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Old June 10th, 2014, 09:47 PM   #34
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You are 14 @ 3.11

How could they have made it any worse?
25 years of slowly building up the C/nauld service ruined in one easy lesson.

39 minutes from the Holy City gets you to M+S in Princes Street.
39 minutes from Cumberned gets you to the stairs at QS Low Level.
How could they have made it worse?

Garngad chord = part of the Glasgow Crossrail missed opportunity.
Get it right and Greenock / Falkirk and Ayr / Dunblane are go.

Then there is the bonus of a people mover from PGS to GLA.
Suddenly it is Auld Reekie in the shade -- East Coast mafia won't be having that.

Shame really.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 06:20 AM   #35
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Old June 11th, 2014, 09:19 PM   #36
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Mac @ 04.20

Any chance you could join the debate?
39 minutes -- QS to C/nauld?

Any thoughts?

Looks like we have spent a fortune to get a worse service.
How this helps the CwG I don't know.

The Garngad chord needs to be re-visited.
How much time would this improvement save?
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You are 14 @ 3.11

How could they have made it any worse?
25 years of slowly building up the C/nauld service ruined in one easy lesson.

39 minutes from the Holy City gets you to M+S in Princes Street.
39 minutes from Cumberned gets you to the stairs at QS Low Level.
How could they have made it worse?

Garngad chord = part of the Glasgow Crossrail missed opportunity.
Get it right and Greenock / Falkirk and Ayr / Dunblane are go.

Then there is the bonus of a people mover from PGS to GLA.
Suddenly it is Auld Reekie in the shade -- East Coast mafia won't be having that.

Shame really.
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Mac @ 04.20

Any chance you could join the debate?
39 minutes -- QS to C/nauld?

Any thoughts?

Looks like we have spent a fortune to get a worse service.
How this helps the CwG I don't know.

The Garngad chord needs to be re-visited.
How much time would this improvement save?
Ah, 'You are 14 @ 3.11' is referring to me. 1M14 is the train reporting number for the 1340 Virgin Trains Glasgow Central to Euston service; I hadn't actually ever thought of it as being a declaration of my age. Oh well, I haven't been fourteen for quite a while now!

I can't see what you're on about when you say that they have ruined the service. What they have now is a compromise, yes, but it's not exactly the worst thing in the world. If they had wanted that they would have cut the Cumbernauld service back to Springburn as a shuttle and run it with ex-Merseyrail Pacers.

The idea of sending services via the City Union line as a Glasgow Crossrail will always suffer greatly from the fact that the vast majority of passengers want to go within walking distance of Central or Queen Street. Moving existing services to the Crossrail line would disrupt the journeys of the majority of passengers; the alternative is to run extra services but there aren't a vast number of people who actually want to go between Dunblane and Ayr or wherever and so the services would be mostly empty.

A 'proper' Crossrail scheme like in London does not cause passengers too much disruption: all services redirected to Crossrail 1 from the GWML and GEML will still call at Paddington and Liverpool Street. Even Crossrail 2, which will move some services from Waterloo and Liverpool Street to the new tunnel via Victoria and Euston-King's-Cross-St-Pancras, won't cause too much disruption because the vast majority of passengers have to change already to get to where they want to go anyway and so changing in a different place instead wouldn't make much difference.

The Glasgow Crossrail proposals were said to provide £1bn of economic benefits over 60 years, which is pathetic in comparison to most other schemes. The only thing that could make much of a difference would be if the Glasgow HSR station were located at High Street or Bellgrove and there was biblical amounts of new development to attract non-HSR passengers there. Even then, that extra development would have to replace other development in the rest of the city as there wouldn't be enough demand to sustain both simultaneously.

This electrification helps the CwG because it frees up more DMUs to run other services in the country. There has been significant amounts of slack in the Glasgow EMU fleet, due to various reasons including the non-running of GARL services which had trains ordered for them. On the other hand, there hasn't been any similar slack in the diesel fleet around Great Britain and the only short-term feasible way of making more DMUs available is to replace them on routes with electric trains. As an example, the Paisley Canal electrification was done in part to allow the diesel trains it used previously to be cascaded so that there would be more diesel trains available up in Inverness for commuter services when the Kessock Bridge works were in progress. The Cumbernauld and Whifflet line electrifications are also to help free up DMUs for the Borders Railway project which will be opening next year.
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Old June 12th, 2014, 08:33 AM   #38
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How many carriages does the change free up?
4 max -- 2 trains of 2 carriages each?

An awful loft of money for very little benefit.

Sweating the assets by re-jigging maintenance schedules across the industry could have covered the CwG requirement at much less cost.

Then there is the point that C/nauld is losing out to allow the Borders rail vanity project to go-ahead. Central belt stiffed when it would have been easier to order more trains. Talk about the tail wagging the dog. Second rate planning by people trying to be too clever by half.

Your other point about the lack of benefits in the Glasgow Crossrail scheme is just so Moscow Metro in its conservatism that it needs to be challenged.

People go where the trains take them.

Few people make cross Glasgow trips on the train because the services do not lend themselves to easy journey planning. Consequently they use the car. Build it and they will come. Quick and easy win.
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14 @ 9.06

Ruining the service?

Taking 39 minutes from QS to C/nauld is ruining the service.
50% increase in the journey time is not going to help.
Even 36 minutes is a pretty poor show.

Back to the 70's / 80's with the wasted time at Springburn.
Poor show all round and C/nauld is supposed to take one for the Borders.
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