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Old November 13th, 2013, 07:57 AM   #21
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Miami's new Town Square District would be an upsclae shopping area located roughly between NE 18th Street and the Venetian Causeway + Arscht Center, and NE 2nd Avenue and Biscayne Bay. A dense urban neighborhood just North of Downtown Miami in a park setting with tree-lined streets and rich appointments. Sandwiched between 2 light-rail stations, in the lushly landscaped FEC GREENWAY.

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Old November 13th, 2013, 08:10 AM   #22
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I've wondered about building commuter railways based upon the Japanese model. There a number of companies in Japan, e.g. Keio, Odakyu, that evolved from the equivalent of interurban railways. I don't know how you would even describe them; "commuter rail" does not quite fit since they are not like the commuter lines in the US I've ridden, many of which only provide rush hour service. In Japan they are known as "Dentestu" which roughly means electric railway. They typically operate at 1500 VDC, run on a variety of gauges (not an issue because they don't interchange train traffic which each other, and I've not seen any that have freight service).

The railways seem to be one component of the company, in which real estate and department stores play prominent roles. They almost seem like what our interurbans might have evolved into. Some of them can also run over subway lines, and they can include a number of grade crossings, in particular around the station, but most highways seem to be grade separated from the railways.

The railways can operate a variety of services on a two track line. On the Keihan railway between Osaka and Kyoto I've seen lengthy sections of twin track that operate local, express and limited trains. The only stretches where four tracks are needed is the stations where express trains stop. Typically what will happen is that a local will come into the station first and pull to the outside track in its direction, followed shortly by an express, you then have a rush of traffic between the two trains, and then the express leaves, followed by the local.

Branch lines will normally have a separate train that you transfer too, an example being if you wish to go to Uji on the Keihan. Going to Takao on the Keio is similar, but on weekend some trains will continue on down the branch line catering to hikers. I'd like to see us be able to develop this type of railway.
I whole heartedly agree!

The Japanese have led the world in providing trains that stop at every stop and a very wide range of expresses all operating on two or four track main lines (4 track main lines in Japan can carry immense passenger loads- sections of the Odakyu Electric Railway for example.)

The same rail line can provide what we call light rail service on dedicated right of way, trains that can skip one station then stop at the next, expresses that only stop at major stations (often defined as transfer points to other train lines), and, end point to end point expresses.

Each type of train has different average speeds, and, serves different markets. The local trains tie neighborhoods together and provided near distance commuter service, low priority expresses serve user that commute from suburbs to major job markets, while the end point to end point type expresses serve tourists and through travelers.

The FEC right-of-way is huge and could doubtlessly carry 1,000,000 or more passengers per day via 4 main lines as is routinely done in Japan. These four lines (start with a 2 line main and have 3 and 4 track stations) can serve the light rail user, the metropolitan commuter, and, HSR simultaneously.

There is no reason that local stations be 1.5 miles apart and express trains averaging over 60 mph including a few stops running over the same tracks. The keys are having passing tracks at stations, overhead catenary power, and, of course, good scheduling.

The Japanese have been doing this type of scheduling for at least 60 years.

Then run bicycle paths etc., parallel to the outer tracks.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 07:41 PM   #23
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