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View Poll Results: Sould spires count upon assessing the height of buidings?
Yes 42 53.85%
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Old November 18th, 2013, 08:22 PM   #61
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yes a week or so the buildingheights website was posted and i really do apprechiate how they count building heights. it is probably the fairest system i have seen yet, although on some buildings it again is hard to decide if the spire indeed should count. modern media center in changzhou they counted for example, although i have a hard time deciding if it indeed should count. however they seem to choose objectively and fair, which i really apprechiate. best example for them being fair is Zifeng tower and empire state building, both have the height they shall have, the height towards the highest none antenna/spire part, both are exactly 381m in building heights and they do look lke the same size aswell. a much better comparison than zifeng tower and sears tower, which just makes people angry.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #62
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Which in itself is not enough to stop calling a section a part of a building Which I'm sure you will find out soon after you start seriously trying to sell your idea
In roof height it is enough to call a section a spire and therefore not to count it towards the height. Remember, this is roof height, not official height or pinnacle height, in roof height spires aren't counted
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Old November 18th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #63
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I'm not convinced that in buildings like kt "spire" is not a part of roof because there is not a classic spire there but walls of the building that meets together. Besides that I have nothing against roof height coexisting with the rest of the numbers if there is someone willing to do tedious job of determining what is and what isn't part of the roof in each building BUT, it will never be considered an official building height (which this thread is all about) or height used to make official tallest towers lists because it doesn't measure many buildings completely. It's good you are fine with that because it will save you some nerves in the future
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Old November 18th, 2013, 09:12 PM   #64
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Yup, roof height might never make it to #1, it might never even make it into the secondary CTBUH measurements. But I will try, and if I should fail, I will still be able to be proud on my work because I tried
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Old November 19th, 2013, 01:02 PM   #65
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Spires shouldn't count. Some are ridiculous. Like the new WTC being taller than the Sears Tower. Or Nanjing Zifeng Plaza being taller than the Sears Tower. Just ridiculous.
Spires are more and more tall ! This is the timeline of the tallest spires :

1930 : Chrysler Building 37m
1990 : Bank Of China 64m
1997 : CITIC Plaza 69m
2005 : Shanghai Shimao IP 86m
2007 : NY Times 91m
2013 : 1 WTC 124m
2015 : Federation Tower 146m

In the future, maybe a 200m spire, or even a "supertall spire"...
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Old November 19th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #66
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Indulging my compulsion to state the obvious, this issue will remain deadlocked for the foreseeable future...
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Old November 20th, 2013, 07:15 PM   #67
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2015: Federation Tower 146m
Overdone spire. It is too tall and (I think) it is only for the height of the building? If the building is 417 meters tall, why do they add a spire of 146 meters??
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Old July 14th, 2014, 02:21 AM   #68
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the World's Tallest residential building will have a 297 ft (90.5m) spire

if built, should a residential tower taller than 1478 ft be considered the world's tallest?
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Old July 15th, 2014, 08:11 AM   #69
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I personally think that one of the two stances would be the fairest- either count only roof height, or count pinnacle height. The nature of counting spire height will lead to constant disagreements and allows "official" groups like CTBUH to chose what counts towards official height or not based on subjective artistic merit. Personally, in regards to choosing between roof height, and pinnacle height, I don't really care. Choosing roof height might cut out some legitimate spires, while choosing pinnacle height might add some ridiculous antennae, but at least the results wouldn't be the subject of endless arguments.
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Old July 15th, 2014, 11:08 PM   #70
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I think spires should count if they are integrated with the architectural design of the building [i.e. Chrysler Building] but should not count when they are just placed on top of a flat roof [i.e. 1 WTC].
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Old July 17th, 2014, 08:00 AM   #71
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I think spires should count if they are integrated with the architectural design of the building [i.e. Chrysler Building] but should not count when they are just placed on top of a flat roof [i.e. 1 WTC].
But then you run into subjectivity again. What qualifies as "integrated with the architectural design of the building? If you are looking for something to consider in the middle between 1WTC and Chrysler, what about BOA? Does the spire on that qualify as integrated?
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Old July 17th, 2014, 08:27 AM   #72
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What if it works with a flat roof?
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Old July 17th, 2014, 03:48 PM   #73
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What about tv/radio/satellite towers such as Tokyo sky tree or the Eiffel tower? does the spire count ?
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Old July 19th, 2014, 01:17 PM   #74
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those are not buildings, they should always be counted towards the spire, there is no point in measuring roof height for that. the point of them often is to send a signal from the tip, so that should be compared.
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Old July 20th, 2014, 01:34 AM   #75
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No, spires shouldn't count. The building on the right is obviously the taller of the two.
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Old July 20th, 2014, 08:25 AM   #76
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Why not just have 2 categories?

Spires count for something but not as much a roof.
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Old July 20th, 2014, 07:13 PM   #77
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I say that it depends on the building.
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Old July 21st, 2014, 12:23 AM   #78
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Spires are more and more tall ! This is the timeline of the tallest spires :

1930 : Chrysler Building 37m
1990 : Bank Of China 64m
1997 : CITIC Plaza 69m
2005 : Shanghai Shimao IP 86m
2007 : NY Times 91m
2013 : 1 WTC 124m
2015 : Federation Tower 146m

In the future, maybe a 200m spire, or even a "supertall spire"...
or even a ''megatall spire''.

Anybody knows how tall is the spire in Kingdom tower?
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Old July 21st, 2014, 12:31 AM   #79
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This project, height of 406m, is a joke. The two buildings are only 64 floors and the spires are more than 100 meters.

What's the purpose of such long spires anyway?
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Old July 24th, 2014, 03:43 AM   #80
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or even a ''megatall spire''.

Anybody knows how tall is the spire in Kingdom tower?
The top 37% of the Kingdom Tower, Jeddah, is unhabitable. So 1007m*0,37=372,6m, making the spire itself a supertall!
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