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Old November 19th, 2013, 03:40 AM   #1
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NEW YORK | South Street Seaport Tower | 151m | 494ft | 42 fl | Canceled

A controversial plan to build a tall hotel/residences tower along the East River waterfront at South Street Seaport has seen continuous changes and amendments. Now reduced to 42 floors, the Howard Hughes Corp. is hoping this latest revision can skate by past its phalanx of critics.



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This tower development as part of an overall redevelopment of the South Street Seaport has a bit of history. In 2008, General Growth Properties, the owner of the South Street Seaport mall began planning an overhaul of their property acquired from the Rouse Company including a new 42 story tower that would loom over the East River. Assailed by NIMBYs and later shelved in a bankruptcy, the plans have returned under new owner Howard Hughes Corporation:


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Seaport Redevelopment Plan Includes a 50-Story Tower



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South Street Seaport, an often-neglected corner of Manhattan dedicated to enshrining New York’s seafaring past, has been battered by storms, recessions and poor management.

Now, there is a proposal for a major redevelopment of the cobblestone streets, 19th-century brick buildings and piers that would include the reconstruction of the landmark Tin Building and the addition of a marina and a 50-story hotel and apartment tower.

The Howard Hughes Corporation, which controls the seaport under a lease with the city, says it wants to enliven the area and establish a destination for both tourists and New Yorkers.

It is unclear how a glassy tower on the north side of Pier 17 would fit into the historical fabric of the area, but Howard Hughes contends that the building would be the “economic engine” that would allow for the rehabilitation of the crumbling piers and nearby buildings.

The proposal, the company said, will include a still-to-be-determined rescue plan for the financially ailing Seaport Museum, and the sailing ships at Pier 17, which are slowly sinking into the East River.

“The re-envisioned seaport district will transform the piers’ iconic waterfront setting into a vibrant, highly engaging area,” said David R. Weinreb, chief executive of Howard Hughes, “while providing a critical catalyst for the revitalization of Lower Manhattan.”

The company is to unveil its preliminary plan for the first time on Tuesday to local residents and members of Community Board 1, which includes the seaport.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/19/ny...ory-tower.html


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Old November 19th, 2013, 09:18 PM   #2
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Protest of South Street Seaport Plans Set for Tonight’s CB1 Meeting
http://commercialobserver.com/2013/1...s-cb1-meeting/

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Newly unveiled plans for a 50-story hotel and apartment tower on the South Street Seaport waterfront have prompted opponents of developer Howard Hughes Corporation to organize a protest at tonight’s Community Board 1 meeting.

HHC’s proposal also adds a marina to the Seaport and calls for the dismantling and reconstruction of the 106-year old Tin Building.
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Old November 19th, 2013, 09:36 PM   #3
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In b4 the Hudson Riverkeepers and their shadow detectors!
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Old November 19th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #4
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In b4 the Hudson Riverkeepers and their shadow detectors!
LOOK OUT Howard Hughes... The NIMBY's are coming!

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Old November 20th, 2013, 03:49 AM   #5
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This tower will receive an unbelievable amount of opposition. Have a hard time seeing it be approved at its currently proposed height or at all. Keep in mind this tower would be built on pier extending into the East River (beyond the shoreline), so some may consider it as setting a precedent.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 06:25 PM   #6
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Strap on your seatbelt fellas!

Shocker: Residents Do Not Want A 50-Story Seaport Tower
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/1...port_tower.php



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News broke yesterday morning that South Street Seaport developer Howard Hughes plans to construct a 50-story tower along the water beside Pier 17, and the reaction from the community is exactly what was to be expected. No one wants it. During the first of many community board meetings last night, residents packed the room with "Save Our Seaport" signs to voice their opposition. The proposal was called "gross," Howard Hughes was booed, and DNAinfo reports that the board ultimately voted to not support the project as it currently stands.

The proposal, which calls for a SHoP Architects-designed hotel and condo tower, more retail, a marina, and extended East River Esplanade, is "very preliminary" and will require a full public review process, with votes from the Landmarks Preservation Commission and City Planning, as it requires a zoning change. According to a press release from Howard Hughes, current zoning would allow for a 350-foot tall, 100-foot wide building, but they plan for a taller and slimmer structure to preserve views. During last night's presentation, SHoP principal Gregg Passquarelli said they "want to be incredibly transparent" with the plans during the review process, which contrasts greatly with Howard Hughes' desire to continue negotiating with the city in secret.

Residents said that the tower doesn't fit with the low-rise historic nature of the neighborhood, and they do not want the New Market Building to be demolished, which needs to happen to build the tower. The developer says that the tower will pay for the $125 million of improvements they have planned for the waterfront. Not only will they build out another portion of the esplanade, but the decaying piers will be rebuilt, the Tin Building will be fully rehabilitated (and moved out of the flood plain), and a marina will provide public water access with kayak launches, boat slips, and ferry berths. Howard Hughes will also save the financially failing Seaport Museum, along with its historic ships, but details about that are still unclear. Additionally, SHoP designed every piece to better protect the neighborhood (which suffered greatly during Hurricane Sandy) from future storms and flooding.

The next public meeting will take place in January, as a town hall where people can voice their opinions. The review process will occur throughout 2014, and it all goes as the developer plans, ground will be broken in early 2015.
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Count on the NIMBYS to squawk...the developers though seem to have a great plan,not sure about the building design yet but they are going to spend a lot to that area back so the locals should just stfu...besides this and the 80 South Street tower that will be it in terms of building high in that specific area. If city planners listened to all the NIMBYs NOTHING would get done. Review is necessary, and not every project is a desirable one but reflexive opposition is just so frustrating and hopefully the project will pass the necessary approvals and will be ready to go for 2015.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 09:29 PM   #8
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As a kind of skyline healing pedestal for a much taller 80 South Street, this tower would be an easier sell. But the NIMBYs only have little visions of a 5,000 ft. tall Sharkzilla on a pier devouring their historical seaport village with the fake Restoration Hardware lamps and motor oil-soaked cobblestones.

Oh, and the shadows cast by this beast will kill off all marine life along the Atlantic coast too.
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Oh, and the shadows cast by this beast will kill off all marine life along the Atlantic coast too.
Don't give the NIMBY's any crazy ideas!!

Maybe next week will hear an announcement that a study had been commissioned in this regard to study the effects.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 10:49 PM   #10
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In the News: More Intel on the Seaport Tower
http://tribecacitizen.com/2013/11/20...seaport-tower/

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Curbed has a report on last night’s CB1 meeting about the Howard Hughes Corp.’s proposed plan for the South Street Seaport (including the rendering above). So does the Broadsheet. And Anonymous filed a pro-development report in the comments on this post. TC beat reporter (who moonlights as an attorney) Daniel Gershburg had this to say:


There was a very, very large turnout for the meeting and many of the people were there to protest what Hughes had proposed. Initially, the Hughes rep, Chris Currey, was drowned out with boos and one woman literally almost got kicked out, but cooler heads prevailed. His answers were completely vague and he basically acted as if his being there was more of a favor than a requirement. Someone asked about how many units would be affordable housing. He had no idea. Someone asked if there was a chance he could swap this location (which is, literally, on the water). He had no idea. It culminated with someone asking about when the shipping containers, which were supposed to be temporary, would be moved. His response: “When they’re moved, they won’t be temporary anymore.”

Conversely, the rep from SHoP [the architects] conducted a truly wonderful presentation. He began by explaining how poor the condition of the piers are around that area, and how much work and money has to go into restoring them. He talked about the Tin Building, and how important it was to preserve, but, because of the new flood regulations, the Tin Building would have to be raised five feet (which you can’t do because it will smash into the FDR). They’re now looking at a plan that would set the Tin Building back 30 feet and perhaps add a floor onto it. He also discussed making South Street more of a two-sided retail space by installing little stores/restaurants, etc., under the FDR on the eastern part of South Street. Finally, he discussing the huge building, and he basically said, “Look, we don’t have a ton of space to work with, and something has to bring in revenue.” The building may be anywhere from 30 to 65 stories high. They don’t know yet. He also discussed a proposed marina, which, to me, looks hideous. It’s bad enough we have the noise from the helicopters 24/7, but to bring in a marina seems so odd to me. And he mentioned people had asked for it, but it doesn’t seem plausible that these people would write in saying, “Say, where am I putting my sailing vessel in this scheme?” At one point as he was speaking, a woman heckled him about going “back to Texas.” He stopped, looked at her, and said, “I’m a lifelong New Yorker and my family has lived in New York for eight generations. Don’t tell me to go back to Texas.” Again, great presentation which ended with a round of applause. He obviously enjoys what he does and they do in fact respect the area. They genuinely don’t know what they’re going to do yet, though.

The design ideas overall, I think, were well received, other than the huge building. People complained about a lack of input. Hughes claimed that they had sent out flyers, asked for meetings, etc., with residents, but a resident stood up and said she’d been living in the area for 35 years and never got so much as a phone call. Most people agreed. If Hughes had someone who knew what there were doing with respect to community outreach, I think it would have gone much smoother.
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Don't give the NIMBY's any crazy ideas!!

Maybe next week will hear an announcement that a study had been commissioned in this regard to study the effects.
The grant application was dashed off last night. They're seeking $50 million to study "Pier Habitats Along The Greater Atlantic Estuarine Floodplain".
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Old November 20th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #12
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65 stories, please.
and 300m!
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65 stories, please.

The grant application was dashed off last night. They're seeking $50 million to study "Pier Habitats Along The Greater Atlantic Estuarine Floodplain".



Yes! 65 Floors and 300m would balance the skyline around pier 17, along with 80 South Street.
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Ehhhh, kinda ruins the charm of the old seaport.

Can't they just build it next to the old one lol.
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The corporate guy did what too many corporate boobs do and nearly destroyed any kind of positive momentum, but the architect saved it thankfully with that fine presentation. A lot of great things, and if having the tower there can generate sufficient revenues to make this all worthwhile (and hell yes go to 65 stories or somewhere near that height if possible!!!) for Pete's sakes build it! (lol, not that it would take much for us to support a really nice tall building)

Only no to the marina idea, it really doesn't work there. So many things though to positively modernize and promote the seaport, why the hell not? Hope this passes and also that Hughes learns better community outreach efforts, or at least bring this guy out because he seemed not only informative and intriguing but he was having fun doing it and it's great he's from a long time New York City family and really has a stake in seeing the Seaport really shining again.
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South Street Seaport Wire...
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...aport_wire.php

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A town hall meeting last night was the public's latest chance to criticize the changes coming to South Street Seaport. More than 150 attendees attended, and while some supported Howard Hughes' redevelopment plans for the area—renovating Pier 17, moving and rehabilitating the landmarked Tin Building, demolishing the nearby New Market Building to erect a 50-story tower with apartments and a hotel—many more did not.

Another idea that was brought up floated: turning the historic fleet of ships docked there into hotels to channel money to the ailing SSP museum. Still to come, a Landmarks Preservation Commission verdict and the start of the city's ULURP approval process.
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Although this towers height may not stand out... the location of it is great! It really does stand out there, it's almost as though it's coming straight out of the water!

Will definitely be an eye catcher I recon
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This tower is going to have a tough road ahead.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 10:23 PM   #19
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The Seaport Fight to Come

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BY JOSH ROGERS | Before the de Blasio administration begins to consider a proposal to build a 600-foot tower at the South Street Seaport, officials want to see affordable housing added to the plan, according to the project’s developer.

Chris Curry, senior executive vice president of development of the Howard Hughes Corp., the Seaport’s developer revealed last week that the firm reached out to Bill de Blasio during his mayoral transition, and a few advisers told Curry in December that the best way to make the plan more appealing would be to add some type of subsidized housing.

“I know the administration has already mentioned to us… affordable housing,” Curry said during a presentation of the project to Downtown Express Jan. 7. “[It’s] very important to the mayor.”

He said it was not clear if the affordable housing needed to be included in the tower, which is strongly opposed in the community, or if it could be built somewhere off the site in order to curry favor with the mayor.

Curry did not reveal the meeting’s attendees and a de Blasio spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment. De Blasio has said repeatedly that affordable housing is a top priority so Curry couldn’t have been too surprised by the direct signal.
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Hopefully, that's not the final design. I'm all for skyscraper development, but if it looks ugly, don't build it.
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