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Old January 22nd, 2014, 09:36 PM   #21
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NIMBYs Attack!

Seaport Residents Trying Hard To Stop Howard Hughes' Tower



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The Howard Hughes Corporation is moving forward the redevelopment of Pier 17 in the South Street Seaport, but residents have come out in full force against the developer's plans for the rest of the area. In November, Howard Hughes revealed its scheme, which includes moving and restoring the historic Tin Building, demolishing the New Market Building (former home of the Fulton Fish Market), and erecting a 50-story SHoP-designed tower and marina in its place (rendered at right). At a Community Board 1 meeting last night, residents continued to voice their opposition.

Residents are strongly opposed to the tower because not only will it obstruct views of the Brooklyn Bridge, but they argue that it's completely out of context with the neighborhood, which is characterized by three- and four-story buildings. As a result, board members are coming out ahead of the changes and insisting on a "collaborative process" with Howard Hughes to ensure that residents don't "feel cheated" like they did after the first round of changes were approved. In the spirit of this collaboration, a Town Hall meeting was held last week where the public got to voice their concerns about the project and present their own wish list for the Seaport.

Last night, the board summed up some of the major themes that came out of that meeting.

Among them, residents simply do not want a tower—even if it includes affordable housing as Howard Hughes has suggested. In an effort to gain "greater control for how things can be built," CB1 wants to get landmark status for the New Market building, which sits in the only section of the South Street Seaport that doesn't have the designation. This would make it very difficult to build a high-rise tower at the site. The landmark application has been rejected in the past but board members are hoping that a new landmarks commissioner will vote favorably the next time around.

Residents also don't want a "mall experience" at the Seaport and want to preserve the "historic character of the neighborhood," which would mean preserving the South Street Seaport Museum and its ships. The biggest theme that emerged however, was the need for the community to determine the development of the site. Diana Switaj, director of planning and land use for CB1, said, the whole process needs to be "more bottom-up than it is now."

To that end the community board is planning to create a task force with all the stakeholders, including representatives for Howard Hughes, NYC Economic Development Corporation, and city council members to come up with a more concrete wish list for the site's revitalization. With this current plan, Howard Hughes has pledged $50 million to rebuild the crumbling piers, and $45 million to move the Tin Building out of the flood zone and restore it.

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Basically what the NIMBYs want is to step into their guilded time machines and go back to 1900. They can do that by simply moving to New Bedford Mass.!
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Old February 25th, 2014, 09:49 PM   #22
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Howard Hughes' Hated Seaport Tower Seeks Community Input



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Howard Hughes Corporation is planning to seek more community feedback for its controversial 50-story residential/hotel tower near Pier 17. The Wall Street Journal reports that the developer will announce today the creation of a task force—formally called the "Seaport Working Group"—that will advise the building process. It could prolong the development's coming-to-be by "weeks or months," but Howard Hughes is willing to wait... which is sort of shocking. Though the group's recommendations won't be binding, and Howard Hughes can proceed with some manner of as-of-right plan if it so chooses, the developer has said it will try to appease community members. (Who, it should be said, are very unhappy about the SHoP-designed proposal as it stands.) Issues on the table include the aiding the ailing Seaport museum, repairing piers, and adding affordable housing. Hughes and co. aim to submit their plans to the city, kickstarting the ULURP approval wheels, in late summer.

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Old February 25th, 2014, 10:08 PM   #23
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Interesting that this is as-of-right development. If Howard Hughes loses patience with these people they can just move forward and build it anyway they please.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 10:25 PM   #24
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Interesting that this is as-of-right development. If Howard Hughes loses patience with these people they can just move forward and build it anyway they please.
My guess is that they'll just fuss about the street-level details but the tower is off limits.
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Old May 25th, 2014, 10:20 AM   #25
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Pier 17 gives up the ghost:


Pier 17 Destroyed by Adrian Cabrero (Mustagrapho), on Flickr
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Old June 18th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #26
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Last night I read a recent article dated in Jan/Feb of this year and it has indicated the following: (just gotta locate it again)

NEW YORK | South Street Seaport Tower | 183m | 600 ft | 50 fl

Also here's a little tidbit I learned about Howard Hughes Corporation is that it is owned by Brookfield as a 45% stake holder. I hope to hear news of the pending deal for 80 South Street soon w/ Howard Hughes Corp.

Hi-Res image of the proposal:




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Old June 19th, 2014, 01:41 AM   #27
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I'll put those numbers in the title but I think the final height will be determined in the approval process and it could be much different...
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Old June 19th, 2014, 07:57 PM   #28
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Because of earlier renders I was hoping that the columns wouldn't be visible in the facade.
Plain glass would have been very cool here.
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Old June 26th, 2014, 04:32 AM   #29
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Fulton Market Building proposal snags Landmarks approval



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Design retains some original features of the 1983 building, while other changes mimic old design

June 25, 2014 02:40PM

The Landmarks Preservation Commission has approved a revised proposal to revamp the Fulton Market Building.

The proposal, led by the team representing the Howard Hughes Corporation and designed by SHoP Architects, won the LPC’s approval after they edited the design to make it “less mall-y” than the architecture firm’s initial iteration, which was rejected in April, Curbed reported.

The new proposal retains some of the original features of the 1983 building, including the existing canopy and market stalls, while other changes will attempt to mimic the older design. The old garage doors will be replaced with a similar glass, while the old bluestone will be replaced with new bluestone — as opposed to a substitute material.






http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...es_forward.php
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Old June 26th, 2014, 04:34 AM   #30
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Nice to see a newer building getting landmarked.
Well, 30 years old is new...right?



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NEW YORK | South Street Seaport Tower | 183m | 600 ft | 50 fl
I love that facade. The brown floorplates are a nice touch.
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Old June 26th, 2014, 06:08 PM   #31
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No offense but a building from 1983 that's pretty but not particularly iconic gets landmarked but the friggin Roosevelt might not be worthy enough? :O
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The building isn't landmarked, South Street Seaport is, as a historic district. Thus any new or altered structure within that neighborhood must meet LPC approval to proceed.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 12:52 AM   #33
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Adding subsidized housing would ruin this project. I am sure the developers will not go for it much to Bill's displease.

Not to mention the building look's extremely out of place.
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A perfect example of the "Vocal Minority" making a big stink when the majority wouldn't mind nor care.

It's the same thing applies to the shadow warriors along 57th street and MER.

Survey reveals support for South Street Seaport tower

71 percent of comments look favorably on the Howard Hughes development

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/07/...seaport-tower/

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It would appear that the Howard Hughes Corporation’s proposed 600-foot tower at the South Street Seaport is not as unpopular as vocal criticism has suggested.

A survey released by the Seaport Working Group revealed that 71 percent of comments submitted to the committee supported the 50-story tower, Downtown Express reported. That figure is far below the support of at least 95 percent that other aspects of the development received, but it shows a majority backing the building.

Three percent of comments indicated respondents were neutral, while 26 percent oppose the tower, according to the news site.

The working group, which was largely formed to address community opposition to the tower, has suggested a shorter building on the site of the old Fulton Fish Market. Howard Hughes Corp. will likely submit a new proposal for the mixed-use tower in the fall, Chris Curry, senior executive president of development for the company told Downtown Express.
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Good. Nimby's always pretend that there is no support for the project they are against. Obviously they are wrong.
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Howard Hughes Expects to Move Forward with Seaport Tower

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The Howard Hughes Corporation's plans for a 50-story, SHoP-designed tower next to Pier 17 in the South Street Seaport were put on hold after community backlash, but new documents spotted by the Downtown Post indicate that the developer has not given up on the tower. In a report recently filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for the second quarter of 2014, HHC says that they expect the "formal approval process" for the project in the fourth quarter of this year:

"On November 20, 2013, we announced plans for further redevelopment of the South Street Seaport district which includes approximately 700,000 square feet of additional space, East River Esplanade improvements, a marina, restoration of the historic Tin Building, and the creation of a dynamic food market, replacement of wooden platform piers adjacent to Pier 17 and a newly constructed mixed-use building. The plans are subject to a Uniform Land Use Review Procedure ("ULURP") that requires approval by the New York City Council, the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission and other various government agencies. We expect to begin our formal approval process in the fourth quarter of 2014."
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From Curbed today:

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SHoP's Revised, Shorter South Street Seaport Tower, Revealed!
Thursday, November 20, 2014, by Hana R. Alberts

Last night, developer Howard Hughes Corporation presented 300 slides worth of information to community members, all about the revised version of the neighbor-hated residential tower they want to build along the waterfront at the base of Pier 17 at the South Street Seaport. In short, their concessions—mainly, to shorten the building by 10 stories, but also to build a middle school and a waterfront esplanade—were simply not sufficient to satisfy community members or elected officials. This morning, at their offices in the Woolworth Building, SHoP architects held an unveiling of the new design, showcasing the now-42-story structure, which is striated and narrows slightly as it rises. Take a look, and we'll update with more details on the design as they come through.


More photos of the model in the link.

...so what do you guys think? The shape is a little odd, although the facade pattern is pretty cool.
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Wasn't there a supertall proposal as well for the seaport? Anyone know how that is moving along?
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Wasn't there a supertall proposal as well for the seaport? Anyone know how that is moving along?
Yes, that is 80 South Street and it had been mentioned that Howard Hughes Development which Brookfield Properties is also a major stake holder is trying to acquire it. Haven't heard anything on it recently.
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For me the new look is ok and probably my least favorite SHoP design currently but it is interesting.

FYI, This tower is also getting a hair cut. It will be as per the Realdeal:
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/11/...n-development/

494 ft
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Howard Hughes scaled back the plans about 25 percent, according to the Wall Street Journal. New plans include a 42-story tower that will stand 494 feet, rather than the earlier proposed 52 stories and 650 feet.

The developer has also said that 30 percent of the project’s units will be affordable. The affordable units would be located in the nearby historic buildings, rather than the new tower itself, according to the newspaper. -
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