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Old October 24th, 2014, 12:21 PM   #121
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Old October 27th, 2014, 01:26 PM   #122
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Old October 27th, 2014, 11:47 PM   #123
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It's in the Talgo factory´s Rivabellosa (Álava), which is located next to Miranda de Ebro (Burgos).
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Old October 28th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #124
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Typically your destination being Talgo factory in Las Matas II, Madrid, where locomotives are manufactured.
It seems missing equipment on the roof, so may just be the bodywork.

Some more information on mounting the Haramain (in Spanish).
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Old November 1st, 2014, 02:20 PM   #125
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Old November 1st, 2014, 02:41 PM   #126
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Is there any section prepared for testing ?.
How many km/miles?.

They should start in December.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 04:26 PM   #127
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What engineering measures have taken place to ensure smooth operations with a temperature variance of sub 0 to over 50 degree temperatures?
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 01:01 PM   #128
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The Al–Shoula Consortium are not worried about the temperatures, but the sand is a problem. According to vice president of Talgo: "The temperature gradient in Saudi Arabia is similar to Spain. The construction technique will be similar to that used in our country. "

What I know pretends to increase AC equipment, an internal pressure to prevent the entry of dust, redundancy of equipment and installation of a back-up to the main power failure.
The fact is that lose power happens to be a nuisance (anywhere) to be very dangerous in the middle of the desert. Also keep in mind the electric fields created by sandstorms. At about 45 km in area 4 is installed slab track type RHEDA 2000 concrete retaining walls 1.6 meters high and pitfalls (trenches) for sand.

In Arid-Lap program, the test bench of the Cedex Geotechnical Laboratory is responsible for studying the effects of sand on the infrastructure. There they built a "box" to simulate years of operations in just two weeks: in less than twenty minutes over 260 trains is simulated.
The original intention was to bring the sand of the desert of Saudi Arabia (called aeolian sand by the winds of the Red Sea), but there were too many bureaucratic hurdles to get her out of the country. Alternatively, the center has selected several different arenas and has mixed in such a way that eventually obtained a volume curve with a similar product that is in the wilderness, considering mineralogy constituting those grains of sand and size, whose appearance is almost like dust.
7 meters of track were built, with twelve sleepers at scale 1:1. The experiment is based on going a controlled manner contaminating the way to view and analyze for each degree of saturation (from 15% to 100%) the behavior of the infrastructure when the train passes. This train has two bogies on each tractor and everything else are “Talgo trucks” (one at each wheel via independent without being bound by any axis, something unique on any railway in the world).
The effects of that train in other normal circumstances are already on the box to compare with the desert and has been imitated over the same at a speed of 320 kilometers per hour (can be reached to simulate even 400 km/h). With a set of pairs of actuators that are installed on the box itself, it will start to move faster pulse, and accurately reproduce over the stands and bogies for the particular route point.
As a good "CSI" train has analyzed everything imaginable: from how sleepers they behave, how stresses and forces are generated in the same and in the ballast. The goal is to evolve watching all these parameters to define what is the maximum speed that is safe to run the train at each stage of saturation of sand. In the event that contamination reaches 100% of the track, all the infrastructure would be filled with sand to the base of the sleeper. Since the test bench ensures that the train can pass perfectly in this scenario, but look at what speed limit can cover the distance without any danger or discomfort to the passengers.
To do this, first to analyzes the track without sand in order to check the parameters of the same in a normal state, and then they were adding different concentrations of sand.

An example of this deterioration is the sub-ballast. Al Rajhi Alliance Consortium (composed by CRCC China Railway Construction Corporation, Al Arrab Contracting Company Ltd, Al Suwailem Company and France's Alstom Transport) that install the platform has been used granular sub-ballast twenty centimeters thick. The result is that over time and with the passage of trucks, the Spanish consortium is encountering real problems of irregularities in the firm at the time of installing the final ballast.
From now on all sections in Spain where bituminous sub-ballast will be installed with eight centimeters thick.
Ineco, who has closely followed from the beginning the effects of the desert sand in the project (including analyzing the movement of dunes by satellite) is the one who signed the contract with the lab to conduct this study on the desert sand.
The consortium will also analyze the impact of hitting the track to calculate how often they can do without the ballast is too damaged. All these data are key to analyze the profitability of the project, because if the sand causes an excessive wear of the track or even rolling stock maintenance costs could shoot and it would be a blow to the line of flotation Spanish consortium's contract, thanks to a very competitive offer with very little margin to overcome already won the French proposal.
In its final conclusions, the work will establish speed limits in the operation and maintenance periods so that the line is kept in top condition. Similarly, in the track will be included in different sections of the infrastructure, pollution detectors to know what the desert sand saturation in real time in the ballast and act accordingly.

One of the proposed solutions is that trains with a kind of small air blowers or fans, which lifts the sand on the road surface. The wheels have a larger diameter so that each point spend less time on the lane. Meanwhile, ADIF is checking the tightness of the cabins and propulsion equipment on a wind tunnel; There are also crystals with special gaskets, with special adhesive films, and paintings, and improved coatings.

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Old November 2nd, 2014, 07:25 PM   #129
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Is there any section prepared for testing ?.
How many km/miles?.

They should start in December.

(16/06/2014 ) "Haramain train trial run :Testing of the first line of the multibillion-riyal high-speed Haramain railway system will start in six months, according to local media on Friday.The testing will take place on the line between Madinah and King Abdullah Economic City in Rabigh."
(http://www.raillynews.com/2014/haram...ain-trial-run/)


That is the northern section, about 250km long (out of 449). Especially the trasversal crossing Jeddah along a very busy highway with a high number of bridges seems way behind when looking at recent Google earth imagery.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 07:36 PM   #130
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Thanks !, I hope can begin testing soon.
Is that part has a lot of sand, or are just stones?


Note: I think it is wrong, they are 60 Hz

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ballastless track,good job!!
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Old November 6th, 2014, 06:35 PM   #133
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It is extremely annoying, when trying to take the same pictures but you can't because when you try to quote, they don't appear.
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Old November 21st, 2014, 10:39 PM   #134
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Old November 26th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #135
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Testing set to begin on Saudi high-speed line
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SAUDI transport minister Mr Jabara Al-Seraisry confirmed on November 24 that trial operation will begin "early next year" on the first completed section of the 450km Haramain high-speed line from Medina to Jeddah and Mecca

Testing will initially be carried out on the northern section of the route between King Abdullah Economic City (KAEC) in Rabigh and Medina. Al-Seraisry says the first 13-car Talgo 350 train for the route is expected to arrive in Saudi Arabia by the end of the year. The first drivers are bing trained in Spain by Renfe and SRO says the best drivers will become instructors for the next batch of trainees.

According to the minister construction is 90% complete on the main stations and feasibility studies are underway into an additional station, which will be located near the Meeqat mosque in Medina.

Talgo is supplying 36 of the 320km/h trains to Saudi Railways Organisation (SRO), one of which will be a royal train. Each train will seat up to 417 passengers and trains will be capable of operating in multiple

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Old November 26th, 2014, 07:05 PM   #136
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First we need to leave the factory Rivabellosa (Álava), towards the harbor.
I hope we know on time and we can take pictures. It has been said that by December.
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Haramain

The service pattern when the line is fully-completed will be seven Mecca – Jeddah, two Mecca – Medina, and and four Mecca – KAEC services, they are mentioned by the IRJ is every hour during peak hours on Fridays.
I.e. maximum.



This service plan is also wrong, because it puts them in tip-hour to hour-valley in 2012 (obviously be 2016) than in 2022.

The first train will travel by truck from Rivabellosa (Álava) to the port of Barcelona.
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Old December 5th, 2014, 11:36 AM   #138
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I just finished the Wikipedia entry in Spanish of the Haramain HSR, I have also modified some data in the English page. Well, I have to say that the Spanish version is more complete

Perhaps most important is that are meeting the delivery schedule for trains and, despite delays in the platform, is expected to inaugurate the stretch between KAEC and Medina in late 2015, even before the schedule: the whole line in December 2016.

Apart from Wikipedia, I have also written a post with maps and graphs, although it is in Spanish, I think it has many easily understandable data. Most of the literature already wrote here: #128 in english.
I also summarized what is known of trains in that other post, also in Spanish.

If you do not understand something, do not hesitate to ask.

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Boarding in Barcelona, from the Vía Libre Facebook:
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Old December 15th, 2014, 01:32 PM   #140
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Boarding the first Talgo

Boarding the first Talgo of Mecca at the Port of Barcelona.
On 12 December 2014 the branch 01 of the "Talgo Haramain" departed from the port of Barcelona to that of Jedahh in Arabia. 13 cars and 2 drive heads were shipped by dollies in the hold of Jolly Quarzo.

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