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Old December 19th, 2014, 12:39 PM   #141
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A couple of new things.

The "redundant system" supply will be a group with combustion engine in each locomotive, which will be activated in the event that power is lacking, to keep the air conditioning running.
The second train was sent in April.

The Chinese consortium expects to deliver this month's area 6 (and they delivered on 4 and 5), which serve to the section they want to open in late 2015: KAEC-Medina: 258.9 km which was announced last month by the president of SRO.
What will not comply is delivering the complete infrastructure (Phase 1.1) before the end of the extension (the 31/12/2014). The initial deadline was until 05/04/2012 but some bridges and other infrastructure (especially in area 1) for a total of 853 M € was added.
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haramain train

It's just arrived to Jeddah (Saudi Arabia)

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Old December 25th, 2014, 07:44 AM   #145
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The pressure is on.
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-issues-f...tUQUAAaSPBGOd_
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Old December 27th, 2014, 08:48 PM   #146
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Progress of work

First, let us place ourselves:

Platform: Area 1 (km 1.3 to 75.0), Area 2 (75.0 to 109.25), Area 3 (109,25 to 180), Area 4 (pk 180 to 291.3), Area 5 (291.3 to 375.0) and Area 6 (375 to 449). Font

Facilities: Mecca (km 1.3), PAET 1 (6.2), light and heavy Workshops (12.5), PAET 2 (34.8), CP 1 (63.0), Jeddah Central (78, 3) Fork to Jeddah-KAIA airport (92.8), Incorporation from Jeddah-KAIA Airport (100.9), PAET 3 (125.4), PB 4 (157.9), Rabigh-KAEC (190.3 ), PB 5 (224.0), PAET 4 (254.5), PB 6 (281.7), PAET 5 (312.2), PB 7 (340.3), PAET 6 (361.5) PB 8 (394.7), PAET 7 (420.7), light Workshops (427.5), Medina (449.2).
With access by a branch connection: Jeddah-KAIA airport (km 96.1).

Note: PAET (Puesto de Adelantamiento y Estacionamiento de Trenes) is like a station but no commercial service. PB (Puesto de Banalización): serves to switch from track 1 to 2 and vice versa. Font

Grantees:
- Phase 1.1 civil works (Platform). Consortium Al Rajhi Alliance, composed of China Railway Construction Corporation CRCC, Al Arrab Contracting Company Ltd, Al Suwailem Company and France's Alstom Transport.
- Phase 2 remaining infrastructure not included in Phase 1: track, power, signaling, electrification, etc. Consortium Al Shoula Group, formed by 88% by Spanish companies (ADIF, Renfe Operator, Ineco, Talgo, Cobra, Consultrans, Copasa, Dimetronic, Inabensa, Imathia, Indra and OHL) with two Saudis (Al Shoula Group and construction Al-Rosan Contracting).

Deadlines originally planned:
-Phase 1.1: beginning in late 2009, with completion scheduled for April 5, 2012.
-Phase 2: beginning in October 2012, with expected completion (including material testing) to start of operation in December 2016. Font: pag 179

Modified deadlines:
-Phase 1.1: later some bridges and other structures were added (especially in Area 1) for a total of € 853 million (the award total of this phase was for € 1,453 M, so a 59% increase), so the completion was extended until December 31, 2014. Font

Maximum scheduled dates (after extra time) for delivery platform from Phase 1.1: Areas 4 and 5 in the first quarter of 2014 (really in May), area 6 in the second quarter (really in November), area 3 in the third quarter (probably in December) and areas 1 and 2 in late 2014 (we'll see when). Font

Progress of work:
-Phase 1.1:
Area 4 was delivered in April 2013.
Area 5 was delivered in May 2014.
Area 6 was delivered in November 2014.
The Chinese consortium has not yet delivered to the Spanish construction area 1, 2 and 3. The last one could be delivered in December 2014.

-Phase 2 (completions planned):
The latest forecast completion of Phase 2 in the Areas 4 (111 km) and 5 (84) are in February 2015. Keep in mind that in Area 4 there are 39 km slab track, ie: that is the most difficult stretch.

Trains:
-Deadlines originally planned:
First trains in KSA: December 2014
Start testing the test strip: April 2015
Final tests (operating license): November 2016
Start of operation: December 2016
Font: pag 179

-Really progress:
The first train was shipped on December 12, 2014 and reached the port of Jeddah on 23.

SRO announced a month ago that commercial operations begin only on the stretch KAEC-Medina, at the end of 2015. Commercially area is the worst stretch since the bulk transport will take place between Mecca and Jeddah port and airport. Font

More sources and information on Wikipedia (in Spanish): https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haramain_High_Speed_Rail

Conversations about recent reports (in Spanish, sorry) in http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1534556&page=8
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Old January 7th, 2015, 01:47 PM   #148
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Julio Llorente, head of the project, tells us more details of Talgo SRO 350 trains.

The locomotive takes a blower on the front for cleaning the rail; moreover, the wheels have a larger diameter for each point spend less time by rail and increase its shelf life (we already talked about it, but now both sides are confirmed). Has a new paint, thicker and elastic (yields to the touch) developed by Talgo, whose team has also devised a special polyurethane sheet to protect the "curved glass cockpit".
I'll write in Spanish if anyone can translate better: Lleva pintura más gruesa y "elástica" (cede al tacto).

Gallery on Vía Libre journal of the model from inside the train.

The train VIP dual (hybrid) will seat 20 guests and his entourage have a hearing room, private bedrooms, prayer room, a fancy restaurant ... "begin to build in February, with the idea of surrender in year and a half" (August 2016).
The second standard train will leave in April 2015.

Moreover, there will be 160 drivers, who have been trained in Spain and Arabia, plus another 15 Spaniards, who taught the practice to others. On 10.03.2013 began in Jeddah (Saudi Arabia), the first training course for drivers. There are 1150 hours of teaching for 35 weeks, the top 15: Theory. They will be in groups of 20 and until June 2017.

Remember that the stations are outside the prohibited area to non-Muslims, so no problems with the Spanish staff. At least that's what I have said from the beginning, various sources of the consortium. Now reports in the spanish media of the type displayed: "Only Muslims can go to the holy cities so they would have to give the spanish monarch a special permit or perform an intermediate stage", but I think it is due to the lack of information on the situation stations. Or not it?.

Within the Arid-Lap program, ADIF has designed a drone to control the line. The drone, which has developed in the Railway Technology Center (CTF) of ADIF, located in the technological park of Andalusia (PTA), in Málaga, allow you to see if the desert sand affects the path without the need to mobilize workers. It is able to observe in detail failures on roads, in the catenary and structures (especially in the viaducts) inaccessible.
The vehicle used is a helicopter type RPAS remote control, equipped with two cameras high precision and third infrared, for greater detail in scanning elements, with a pattern of land and orthophotos (images with geographic reference) .
The drone collects images and data with pinpoint accuracy, which is then processed and analyzed in the laboratories of CTF. It is being investigated at different heights of flight, which must be able to capture the minimum size of stones, rocks and bushes; abnormalities in catenary structures and cracks, presence of water and slope slides, thanks to the thermal infrared spectrum camera.

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Old January 8th, 2015, 01:32 PM   #149
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Haramain versus Avril G3

These are the differences between the flaps (deflectores in spanish, down on the front) of the Haramain


and the AVRIL G3:




Remember that, although they share the piece of fiber, mechanically are not equal. The Renfe 102 and 112 series and Haramain (Talgo 350 SRO) have traction motors and bogies from Bombardier (SRO demanded tested material), while the AVRIL G3 has ABB traction chain and Talgo for the rest.
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Saudi is testing for everyone else how HSR can survive the heat
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Old January 13th, 2015, 12:31 PM   #151
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The biggest problem is the sand, the heat has already been tested elsewhere.
In China just opened the Lanzhou-Urumqi line, which besides sand also have strong winds. in China also there are trains from the desert heat of the tropical climate in 8 hours.
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The biggest problem is the sand.
Yes indeed - pollution of the ballast by sand is a big problem. I see from
pictures above that they have laid tracks on concrete slab in some places
but not everywhere ?
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Only in the worst areas, 39 km of area 4 and another 30 in the rest of the line.
A few posts back (Dec. 27) is the description of the areas and details.
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any updates?
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Old January 24th, 2015, 12:16 PM   #156
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any updates?
Was scheduled presentation of the train Talgo 350 SRO 350 in January, but imagine the death of King Abdullah will be postponed.
On the Spanish side was scheduled to attend the Minister of Public Works and Transport, and speculated the presence of former King Juan Carlos I.

Imagine that the train is already mounted, or almost ready, on the workshop first level of Mecca, although I do not know for sure.
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Photos will be December, I imagine.
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trouble in Saudi?

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Saudi Arabian authorities have issued a stark warning to the Spanish consortium building the €6.7-billion AVE high-speed rail link between Medina and Mecca, which is suffering significant delays.

In December, just weeks after being appointed in a cabinet reshuffle, the kingdom’s new transport minister, Abdullah bin Abdulrahman al-Muqbel, issued a public statement calling on the consortium to speed up work or risk having the contract rescinded.

The consortium, which sources say has been riven by internal divisions and “lacks leadership,” held an emergency meeting on December 26 to discuss the letter.

Sources say Saudi Arabia wants to discuss the ongoing problems with a single representative: “Nobody is picking up the phone,” says one engineer, adding that the Saudi authorities want the president of the consortium, Pablo Vázquez, the CEO of state railway company Renfe, to go.
more, with perspective from the Spanish side:
http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/02/04/...76_326956.html
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Old February 9th, 2015, 01:28 PM   #158
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It seems like it was written in December and brings nothing new.

This is my version.
The newspaper says the problem is that they are 12 companies and the Saudis complain that: "nobody is picking up the phone" and then explain that have changed the CEO Pablo Vazquez for Santiago Ruiz, former director of FCC project manager of Riyadh Metro, working with the new minister, who was its mayor; ie they have that he wanted the new minister.
But also explain that the minister Abdullah bin Abdulrahman speaks directly with companies to face each other. What I see more interesting is this: "The minister has perfect information of what is said from Spain and uses the news about dissensions against us". (This part appears only in the version of the article in Spanish, which is longer) I think you have to value the help you are getting the Saudi minister from certain Spanish media.

It also explains the article (only the Spanish version, is that they realized the folly) that the minister "was angry that we get the picture of Talgo down in the harbor, so we said: Well, I will return to Spain". It seems totally ridiculous and pointless: can not hide the thousands of photos (including Saudis) and can not find what interest can take the train back. Anyway.

As for his threats to terminate the contract, understand that they can only be that: threats. To see how much it would take to end the line if other companies are made with such complex works already started. It makes no sense.

What I find disturbing is reflecting the spanish newpaper Expansión (only on paper): "Company of the AVE to face Mecca banks to reduce costs" where they talk about that German engineering Deutsche Bahn, which controls the execution of the work for the customer, noted the appearance of fissures and cracks in any of the sections of concrete slabs in area 4. "The Spanish group OHL has had an obligation to respond with consequent additional costs in economic terms and time".
Note that each company, not the consortium, is responsible for their work.

Anyway we will have to wait for the first train to run in tests to see if there really are problems or not and unfortunately I will not be able to confide in the Spanish media because some seem to have much interest in project failure. We will have to be patient and await developments.

From my perspective I see a new minister wants to finish the work as soon as possible (logical) not blame their construction companies and get noticed in his country as a tough negotiator.
The deadline for Phase 1.1 (Chinese-Saudi consortium Al Rajhi Alliance) ended on 05/04/2012, was extended until 31/12/2014 and still is not being met. In the given areas (4 in April 2013, 5 in May 2014, 6 in November and 3 in December last year) Spanish companies consortium (Al Shoula Group) are working since that time and expect to deliver areas 4 and 5 this month. For despite all this the minister announced that the commercial service between KAEC and Medina will begin in December 2015, despite the expected date (before the phase delays of 1.1 and for the entire line) was December 2016.
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Updating and workshops

The line will feature six substations in the kilometers: 36.0 / 112.0 / 189.2 / 251.3 / 336.1 / 422.0
Substation kilometers 112:


Although he was questioned, here you can see how the lines are in the middle of a highway, between kilometers 94.1 and 107.2:



It was also said that the steps to camels should be high, but here we can see it is not so:


Station Mecca, outside the forbidden zone for non-Muslims:


Medina station outside the forbidden zone for non-Muslims:


There was talk of a sixth station in Abyar Ali, near the Meeqat mosque near Medina; Also in another station in airport Hajj.
Here a "proposed by other" appears in Rabigh Al Akhal, but not sure if it's for a station:


Train ballast:


Rheda 2000 slab track:


In addition to the future operation of commercial service, Renfe is committed to build two workshops (in Medina and Mecca) so that they carry out the maintenance of high speed rolling stock.

As agreed with the client (the Saudis railways, SRO), the Medina workshop is the one that is in a more advanced state of execution, and there has been the first HST has arrived in Saudi Arabia. According to the plan, will be fully finished and operational by the end of 2016.


Located 21.5 km from the city, extends over an area of ​​55 hectares that will be carried out both interventions as first level (light) or second level (heavy). Light maintenance ship with a length of 450 meters, will have four tracks (with two houses lathes) in which it can operate eight trains at the same time.


In addition, the base of Medina also be second level, since in an annex building (30,000 square meters) available location for six trains and a maintenance area of ​​the locomotives. In this space disassembly and repair of the components are made.


Outside you will have a great beach road, with five tracks of double parking (covered to protect the material from solar radiation), paint, blowing, wash and other equipment. An inlet to the other (the double entry is new to guarantee the availability of the workshop with an incidence), there is about 3.5 km long, and it also has a means of acceleration and deceleration tracks.


For its part, the Mecca workshop will be similar to Medina, but only made first level interventions will not ship with heavy maintenance and paint booth. Located about 5 km from the city, is scheduled to begin construction this spring, in order to be ready by the end of 2016, as it is committed to SRO.

More information on Wikipedia (in Spanish)
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As we have seen in officer Google Earth of the project, that have changed some kilometric markers on the original project.

001.000 Station Mecca
005.400 Light Workshop (first level)
006.200 PAET 1
034.800 PAET 2
036.000 Substation 1
063.000 CP 1
078.500 Jeddah Central Station
092.800 By-pass for Jeddah KAIA Airport
100.900 Incorporation from by-pass for Jeddah KAIA Airport
112,000 Substation 2
125,000 Main depot and PAET 3
157,900 PB 4
181,800 Station Rabigh-KAEC
189.200 Substation 3
224,000 PB 5
251.300 Substation 4
254,500 PAET 4
281.700 PB 6
312.200 PAET 5
336.100 Substation 5
340.300 CP 7
361,500 PAET 6
394.700 PB 8
420.700 PAET 7
422,000 Substation 6
426,000 heavy Workshop (first and second level)
449.117 Station Medina

PAET: it's like a station but without commercial service
PB: serve to switch from track 1 to track 2

There will be twelve steps for camels of 52.90 m each, ppkk: 025.750 / 051.700 / 136.700 / 162.700 / 195.460 / 231.476 / 273.055 / 298.855 / 309.577 / 324.655 / 366.000 / 382.400
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