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Old November 27th, 2013, 12:54 PM   #1
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NEW YORK | ARO - Roseland Tower | 225m | 738ft | 62 fl | T/O



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As set forth in today's NY Post, the Roseland Ballroom will be razed and redeveloped.

http://nypost.com/2013/11/26/big-dea...t-43rd-street/


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The new tower would replace New York's venerable Roseland Ballroom.

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Old November 27th, 2013, 08:41 PM   #2
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Sounds great
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Old November 28th, 2013, 05:55 AM   #3
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This is awful. I love roseland and have had many good nights there. Acoustics were good and the balcony was amazing. Yes it is a dump, but it will be missed.
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Old November 28th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #4
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It was inevitable though. It's a huge site.
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Old November 28th, 2013, 06:14 PM   #5
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As long as Hammerstein isnt leveled ill be good haha. I think that one might be landmarked though.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 07:04 PM   #6
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Nice!! 700 to 800 footer?
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Old December 1st, 2013, 07:07 AM   #7
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The site has a huge footprint. It could be as short as 550-600' and as tall as 850.
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The site has a huge footprint. It could be as short as 550-600' and as tall as 850.
850 is good, but how much square ft does this have? If it has a large foot print can a supertall be realistic here?
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850 is good, but how much square ft does this have? If it has a large foot print can a supertall be realistic here?
This won't be a ST. The area does not command that level of pricing.
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Old December 4th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #10
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Per the aforementioned article:

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The former Roseland Ballroom site will soon be reaching for the stars — and this time it’s not rock stars.

In March, Larry Ginsberg’s Algin Management closed out the legendary Midtown venue with an appearance by Lady Gaga.

The low-rise industrial building at 239 W. 52nd St. goes through the block to 242 W. 53rd St. and also is opposite the David Letterman Theater.

We’ve learned Cetra/Ruddy will be the architect for a new 50-plus-story building of roughly 450,000 square feet, with retail at its base.

In 1999, the rock palace’s owners were going to close it down and develop a 42-story building designed by Shuman Lichtenstein & Claman, but they canceled the plan and kept producing the lucrative music events.

To create the new tower, Algin has also proposed buying 58,214 transferable rights from the Majestic at 245 W. 44th St. and another 4,015 feet from the Broadhurst Theater at 235 W. 44th St.

http://nypost.com/2013/11/26/big-dea...t-43rd-street/

So they originally planned a 42 story [office?] tower but are adding 60k air rights to build higher this time. Hotel below, lux condos above or commercial office? If it's offices, this one could reach 900ft.
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Old December 14th, 2013, 06:35 AM   #11
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Theaters’ Surefire Hit: Sale of Air Rights
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/14...id=tw-nytmetro



The Roseland Ballroom’s owners plan to raze it and, with the purchase of air rights, build a 426-apartment tower on the site.

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Putting money into a Broadway play has always been a risky proposition. But the owners of landmark playhouses in Manhattan’s theater district have one sure moneymaker on their hands: the air above their roofs.

For several years now, the owners of 25 playhouses in Midtown have had the opportunity to sell their unused development rights, known as air rights, to developers who wanted to build extra-tall towers nearby. And lately, the appetite for loftier spaces in the city has made the remaining Broadway air rights particularly valuable.

In two pending deals, the Shubert Organization could reap more than $35 million from selling the air rights of four of its theaters. The prospective buyers want to build an apartment tower where the Roseland Ballroom now stands and a hotel at the northeast corner of Times Square.

The heights of both buildings would be at least 500 feet, far taller than they could be without using the theaters’ air rights, according to presentations made at a recent Community Board 5 committee meeting.

“Getting greater height means more value,” said Robert Shapiro, the president of City Center Real Estate, who has assembled packages of air rights in Midtown for developers.

That is one reason the going rate for air rights has taken off like Mary Poppins.

It has been two decades since the city relaxed the rules to give the theaters more leeway to sell their unused development rights.

Protected by landmark designation, the theaters were constrained from making full use of their rights to build on their lots. City officials decided to allow them to sell their air rights not only to owners of neighboring properties, but to any site within the theater district, on the West Side of Manhattan from 40th to 57th Street.

At first, Mr. Shapiro said, “nobody was buying them” and they could be acquired for less than $100 a square foot. Then, when the city’s economy boomed in the mid-2000s, builders started snapping up the theaters’ air rights.

Just before the financial crisis staggered the city, the Shubert Organization sold some rights from the Majestic Theater on West 44th Street for $12.2 million to the builder of the InterContinental hotel at the corner of Eighth Avenue, according to city property records.

Demand for the rights cooled during the recession, but now “there is a feeding frenzy going on in development in New York,” Mr. Shapiro said. So, once again, theater owners are fielding offers from developers who want to go higher.

Some air rights have sold for $225 a square foot but the current price is much higher, Mr. Shapiro said. In some pending transactions, they are priced well above $300 a square foot, said people who had been briefed on the deals.

Officials of the Shubert Organization, which owns 17 Broadway theaters, declined to discuss details of any of the company’s sales of air rights. But property records indicate that the company has already collected more than $50 million from the sales it has completed.

The transactions also have an altruistic component: In exchange for the chance to buy air rights from theaters several blocks away from their development sites, the buyers must contribute to a fund intended to foster the creation of new theatrical work and develop audiences.

For every square foot of development rights they buy from the theaters, the buyers must contribute $17.60 to the fund, which is overseen by the Theater Subdistrict Council, a body made up of four city officials and four members named by the mayor and the City Council speaker. The appointed members of the council meet regularly to decide how to disperse the money to theater companies and other organizations.

So far, the council has handed out about $5 million. The pending sales would yield an additional $1.8 million for the fund, said Robin Kramer of Kramer Levin, a law firm in Manhattan.

Ms. Kramer briefed the community board last week on the two developments that would use the theaters’ air rights.

She said that about 45,000 square feet of development rights would be transferred from the Schoenfeld and Booth Theaters to a site at the northeast corner of West 47th Street and Seventh Avenue.

Paul Boardman, a development executive with Maefield Development, a partner in the joint venture that owns the site with the Witkoff Organization, said they planned to erect a 452-room hotel that would be 500 feet tall and have a large ground-level retail space. The hotel would be one of the first American locations for a new Marriott brand called Edition, Mr. Boardman said.

The second set of transactions involves the site of the Roseland.

The owners of the music hall have announced that they plan to shut it in April, knock it down and build an apartment tower with 426 units on its lot, west of Broadway from 52nd to 53rd Street.

To do that, they have obtained air rights from the theater next door, the August Wilson, and plan to buy an additional 58,392 square feet of development rights from the Majestic and Broadhurst Theaters, Ms. Kramer said.

Members of the community board committee hearing the proposals generally approved of the plans, but only after expressing wistfulness about the pending demise of the Roseland to make way for another high-priced high-rise.

“I can’t help but feel a little bit saddened that the Roseland Ballroom is going away,” said Raju Mann, the acting chairman of the committee. “We have a lot of expensive apartments in New York.”
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Mystery high-rise: New Cetra/Ruddy-designed Midtown tower
http://news.buzzbuzzhome.com/2014/01...own-tower.html

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We spy new renderings of a 59-story mixed-use tower by Cetra/Ruddy in the Theater District.

According to Cetra/Ruddy’s site, the development will measure about 468,300 square feet, with approximately 426 luxury studio, one-bedroom and two-bedroom apartments. One lucky penthouse will boast four bedrooms and “uniquely expansive views over Central Park.”

The three-story base will contain luxury retail, and the two stories above that will have 30,000 square feet of indoor and outdoor amenities for residents.

There will also be underground valet parking and a rooftop veranda with outdoor pool and lounge overlooking Central Park to the north and Midtown to the south. The building has a subtle ripply lattice effect going on; see more renderings in detail here.

So where is this mystery building? We have a wild hunch that it could be the former Roseland Ballroom site at 239 West 52nd Street. Last November, the New York Post reported that Larry Ginsberg’s Algin Management tapped CetraRuddy to design a “new 50-plus-story building of roughly 450,000 square feet, with retail at its base.”

The low-slung music venue closed with a performance by Lady Gaga in March. In 1999, the building’s owners planned to shutter the place and develop a 42-story building designed by Shuman Lichtenstein & Claman, but that proposal fell through.

No plan exam application has been filed yet at 239 West 52nd.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 08:27 PM   #13
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awesome design!
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Old January 16th, 2014, 08:46 PM   #14
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Nice!! This area of midtown absolutely needs some spice. Hope this one comes to fruition.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 08:46 PM   #15
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Whoa. Unexpected and exciting!
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Old January 16th, 2014, 09:11 PM   #16
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A very cool design.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 12:44 AM   #17
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Is This 59-Story Tower Replacing The Roseland Ballroom?



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In November, it was revealed that the site of the now-closed Roseland Ballroom will be replaced by 50-something tower designed by the architecture firm Cetra/Ruddy. Well, BuzzBuzzHome did some poking around on the firm's website and found renderings that might be for said tower. Cetra/Ruddy doesn't give an address, but their site says the 59-story tower is located in the Theater District, and it will be 468,300-square-feet large, just a bit bigger than the previously reported 450,000-square-feet. It would have 426 units, ranging from studios to three-bedrooms, with a four-bedroom penthouse. Amenities include a rooftop terrace and an outdoor pool, while a three-story base will host retail.










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very nice.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 05:18 PM   #19
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This design looks so good.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 11:07 AM   #20
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It's different, contemporary... fits New York. I just hope we keep getting more of these skyscrapers and supertalls that have a great aesthetic character other than being tall and functional... LOVE IT!
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