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Old May 2nd, 2014, 10:02 PM   #21
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True, but those cities are still very auto-centric.
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I think commuter rail is a good way to transition people from cars to transit.

Commuter rail still requires people to use cars to get to the station. But it does save money on gas, having to drive all the way to the city.
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Old May 2nd, 2014, 10:18 PM   #23
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Yes, but you have to start from somewhere. It's a chicken and egg problem. Those cities are very car-centric because for a long time there was no alternative other than buses which are seen as a poor people's option. People who have cars will ride trains, but not buses.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 04:20 AM   #24
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True, but those cities are still very auto-centric.
As most American cities are.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 07:42 AM   #25
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The line's route does hit all the more built-up parts of the city though. Downtown, the Medical center, the old main street of Winter Park, etc.

You couldn't ask for a better route in the city.
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Old May 4th, 2014, 05:03 PM   #26
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Wasn't it also said about Charlotte? The light rail there has far exceeded expectations. The system in Dallas, another very car-centric city, has also done very well.
Charlotte and Dallas both have CBDs. I am not sure Orlando's downtown would qualify as such.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 07:35 AM   #27
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Its' great! I really, really, really like this city
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It doesn't reach any of the tourist areas (Walt Disney World, Sea World, and Universal). It also misses the airport.
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Right, but other rail lines will eventually serve those areas and connect to SunRail.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 03:45 PM   #30
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Charlotte and Dallas both have CBDs. I am not sure Orlando's downtown would qualify as such.
That is the most assinine assumption of I've heard of about Orlando! Of course it has a CBD!
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It doesn't reach any of the tourist areas (Walt Disney World, Sea World, and Universal). It also misses the airport.
Sunrail uses the current freight railroad tracks operated by CSX Railroad so the tracks never came close to the tourist areas. Also the distance to the Airport is about 5 miles west from the closest station so a future extension will have to be built and that requires funding and buying up land.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 07:13 PM   #32
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As I understand it this first line is meant almost exclusively for people commuting to jobs in downtown Orlando. It doesn't even operate on weekends.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 08:10 PM   #33
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Right, but other rail lines will eventually serve those areas and connect to SunRail.
Are the other line under construction yet or still in the planning stages?
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Old May 6th, 2014, 04:00 AM   #34
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As I understand it this first line is meant almost exclusively for people commuting to jobs in downtown Orlando. It doesn't even operate on weekends.
For now. There are plans to expand services if ridership and funding warrant it.

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Are the other line under construction yet or still in the planning stages?
There are extensions that are planned, all dependent on ridership and funding. One of which is a spur to the airport, and also the Orange Blossom Express project, which would connect western Orlando to SunRail.
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Orlando is a very car-centric city. Ridership will drop by 99% when the free period is over. People are just riding for fun now.
One car mile is not less then $0,2 (gas is not only expenditure of car transport). If monthly pass is $100 or less, this kind of public transport could be very popular. In USA car centric cities, average houshold spends 18-23% of all home budget on transportation.

Orlando SunRail has very good preconditions to be successful, because there are few stations in downtown. It looks like that all downtown is on walking distance from SunRail stations. The most of USA commuter rail have that problem, only 1 or 2 stations in downtown, sometimes not so well integrated.

Integration is the key of success, and the list of integration from weak to strong is:
- Park & Ride
- Bike & Ride
- Circular bus routes (with frequent service or, schedule oriented on rail system)
- Streetcar (LRT, subway)
- More stops for more direct trips (this kind of upgrading is usually limited)
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Old May 11th, 2014, 05:49 AM   #36
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Orlando still needs a shuttle or some mass transit link to Sanford International Airport. I was about to vacation with the family in Orlando because I couldn't pass up $100RT airfare to Sanford...until I realized the only way from Sanford to Orlando (and subsequently to Disney World) was an expensive $100 shuttle. For a tourist city, Orlando sure does need to work on transit.
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My photos of SunRail. I rode between Sand Lake Rd and the LYNX Central Station. I will have photos of the LYNX buses tomorrow or Sat.

Sand Lake Rd




The platform was crowded by the time the train arrived.




Trains were standing room only.




LYNX Central Station










Going back to Sand Lake Rd trains were not full, but still pretty crowded.




A fanrailer was filiming some footage from the windows of the conductor cab.
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One thing they definitely did right was have later running hours. Many systems only operate in rush hours with the last train leaving downtown at 5:30 or 6:00. This is very short sighted and restricts people from using the service even if they wanted to.

With service that is rush hour only, people can't take if they work late, can't meet friends after work, have a drink, go to a movie or game, attend a class...........nothing. People need flexibility which this service delivers.

Not a great system but a good first step and seems to be well thought out.
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Old May 16th, 2014, 05:54 PM   #39
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Sunrail has been surprised by the amount of passengers riding the system so far averaging roughly 10,000 passengers per day during it two week free trial run. They were expecting only 4,600 per day initially. Of course this all depends next week when people have to start paying fares.
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Old May 21st, 2014, 08:06 AM   #40
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Orlando to get nation's first floating magnetic train line
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(Reuters) - Florida approved plans this week for construction of a privately funded electro-magnetic suspension rail line in Orlando, the first of its kind in the United States.

The first phase will be a 13.8-mile elevated track to be constructed at cost of $300 million between Orlando International Airport and the Orlando/Orange County Convention Center, according to American Maglev Technology, which plans to build the system.

The transit technology company projects the system will be profitable, carrying up to 4.1 million passengers a year at a one-way fare of about $10, said AMT Chief Operating Officer Jordan Morris

Orlando's convention center is the nation's second largest, and the train will make an intermediate stop at the Florida Mall, long a destination for international shoppers.

"We think this is the best corridor on the planet as far as ridership goes," said Morris. The company hopes to expand the rail line later to the Orlando theme parks, he said.

The system uses lightweight cars which glide one-centimeter above a steel guide rail through counter-acting forces of 24 electro-magnets and gravity, Morris said.

Marietta, Georgia-based AMT has been promoting the green technology in the United States for 20 years. Such systems are already in use in China, Japan and South Korea, Morris said.

American Maglev proposed the idea in 2012, and was the only bidder on the fixed-guideway transportation system solicited in late 2013 by the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT).

FDOT on Monday gave American Maglev the go-ahead to negotiate right-of-way leases which Morris said he expects will be approved at a nominal fee to the company.

The train likely will originate at the city's airport in a terminal under construction that will also be used by the privately financed All Aboard Florida train planned between Orlando and Miami, Morris said.

The company expects to break ground this fall and be operational by 2017.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A4J10720140520
It is planned to have a stop at the sunrail sandlake road station as well giving greater connectivity for sunrail.
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