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Old February 28th, 2014, 09:01 PM   #141
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Think we're going to get more updates now that it's visible from afar.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 10:51 PM   #142
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You are the one compared BSB's prefab building to the WTC, ignoring the fact that the latter is a built on site tower not unlike supertalls built today. Does it have all the components made in a factory, all utilities installed in modules, and shipped to site for final assembly only? No.
The answer is yes. Where do you think the steel beams and colums for modern buildings come from? Right out of the iron mine?
Sure, most buildings today are built with wet concrete. But the steel parts are oftenly preassembled. Even rebar cages.

No, they just climbed another step on the ladder here. It's nothing new or unique.

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Other supertalls built in the recent years using conventional technologies took just as long to build. The only thing that can change that picture is BSB's modular technology.
This is just because they don't build with concrete. Other steel-only structures can be erected as fast as J97.

Oh and all of this is not "a new technology" that is x-times better and faster than "conventional" ones. Prefabrication and building with modules is the leading construction method since the late 1800's. Again, this is just the next step.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 02:24 AM   #143
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I have a feeling you're going to be choking on your cornflakes with the next updates we get. With no chinese new year down time, i think this ****** is going to fly to the sky.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 02:34 AM   #144
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I'm in a total agreement with you, those chinese guys build always sooo fast.

So I guess, now with prefabricated pieces, its just a matter of putting the pieces together and this will rise a lot faster than common constructions.

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Old March 1st, 2014, 04:21 AM   #145
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Indeed , i think it's worth remembering that this is the very first supertall building built the Broad way, if they can build this a floor a day, say 100 floors , a 100 days, maybe allow an extra 50 days for setting up plus 3-6 months for the foundations, thats a supertall completed in 9-12 months. Not bad for a prototype

You might not be able to build this way in every situation , but in china with 400 million more people moving into cities in the next 20 years, its a game changer in urban development.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 12:01 PM   #146
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Just remember that this triangle is still valid, even in China:
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Old March 2nd, 2014, 01:21 AM   #147
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Old March 2nd, 2014, 11:53 AM   #148
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Just remember that this triangle is still valid, even in China:
Not always. There's this thing called technology that often makes this rule wrong. These for instance. are constantly getting smaller, cheaper and faster

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Old March 3rd, 2014, 04:11 PM   #149
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Old March 4th, 2014, 04:32 PM   #150
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:48 PM   #151
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Old March 4th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #152
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If only we could work out floor count from those pictures. But anyway it doesn't look like it grown much since the last time.
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What's really impressive about those pictures is that as the modules are stacked all the utilities are hooked up already, the work site is already illuminated by the buildings own lights not temporary work lights, the floors built are essentially fully operational ready for tenants.

What I wouldn't do is go around promote this project much, much like how too much attention delayed the Sky City project, the last thing BSB needs right now is a lot of fuzz about J97. Let them finish it quietly and wow the world with a time lapsed video.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 06:58 AM   #154
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Old March 5th, 2014, 09:46 AM   #155
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That first U/C picture you posted is obviously not Flatiron, it doesn't have the curved front.
If you are going to post historic photos of buildings going up fast, the ESB would probably be best since that was actually built REALLY fast!
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Yeah it's times building, currently completely covered with ads. But it's nice u/c picture of it I never saw. It's hard to find any old pictures of this building when it was still in it's full glory.
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That first U/C picture you posted is obviously not Flatiron, it doesn't have the curved front.
If you are going to post historic photos of buildings going up fast, the ESB would probably be best since that was actually built REALLY fast!
Thanks!

Both were built by George A. Fuller Company using steel-frame construction.
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This is just because they don't build with concrete. Other steel-only structures can be erected as fast as J97.

Oh and all of this is not "a new technology" that is x-times better and faster than "conventional" ones. Prefabrication and building with modules is the leading construction method since the late 1800's. Again, this is just the next step.
This is actually the point Broad Group is trying to make all the time. While the media focus on the construction aspect, they often forgot Broad Group is a HVAC company. And its innovation in pre-fab units are in the HVAC, insulation, ultilities aspect of skyscrapers, rather than in the structural aspect.
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This is actually the point Broad Group is trying to make all the time. While the media focus on the construction aspect, they often forgot Broad Group is a HVAC company. And its innovation in pre-fab units are in the HVAC, insulation, ultilities aspect of skyscrapers, rather than in the structural aspect.
Exactly, the reason this tower can be finished in record time has nothing to do with steel construction, but more to do with the fully functional modules. You can put up a steel frame pretty quickly, but the building is not finished until all the utilities are installed, while in BSB's design as soon as modules are assembled they become operational as we have seen in the pictures.
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