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Old July 4th, 2015, 11:23 PM   #261
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Old July 5th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #262
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Even more tragic, that these buildings which survived World War Two and in some cases in addition World War One, and even centuries of war, later fell victim to callous demolitions.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 12:39 AM   #263
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Ruhrgebiet syndrome. Essen did the same shit.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 02:05 AM   #264
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The redevelopment of the older Birmingham Central Library definitely counts. Typical misguided, heavy-handed 60s urban renewal, resulting in the demolition of notable Victorian buildings for the sake of vast concrete plazas, anti-pedestrian roadwork, and a Brutalist replacement. People from Boston, MA will find this familiar.













And now the Brutalist replacement is being replaced. Some people might consider that a moronic demolition. If the new library and redevelopment plans weren't so bland, I'd consider it poetic justice.
Oh God! I wondered what was there before that ugly thing. There quality of the surviving Victorian buildings hint at that was lost. As I believe Theodore Dalrymple said (something along the following lines) that Brutalist architects should have their eyes put out, for the opposite reason to which this was done to the architects of St Bazils and the Taj Mahal.

It would be nice to pull down all these things, or have them moved to Slough where they can form a world museum of beastly eyesores, and to reconstruct the old Victorian buildings, or whatever else existed before.
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Old July 5th, 2015, 01:20 PM   #265
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Cologne Central Station, damaged in the war, demolished in 1955, cause it was --too prussian --
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Old July 5th, 2015, 01:28 PM   #266
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Old July 5th, 2015, 09:10 PM   #267
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Pretty much the whole Athens was moronicly demolished.

Before:
http://athensguide.com/oldcity/panorama2.jpg

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https://left.gr/sites/left.gr/files/...ens_greece.jpg
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Old July 6th, 2015, 02:00 AM   #268
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This annoyed me no-end at the time. I'm sure it would have been possible to save the towers, at least, and to incorporate them into the new building. It will never truly be Wembley Stadium without them. Corruption and/or hubris was surely involved in the decision not to preserve such the landmarks.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 02:27 AM   #269
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they can turn it to a library, museum, galley, a small hotel type building, restaurant, fruit market , kindergarten ANYTHING really

this is beyond my understanding, and for such a country like france
its no surprise this would happen in less developed countries but in france? this is very hard to grasp
how can you destroy such a delicate thing ? i would stop at the site of the masonry and small ornamentation


This is beyond unfortunate, all these examples, especially the tearing down of fine and majestic Gothic churches in France. I don't think the West has much basis to condemn the wanton cultural destruction perpetrated by the Taliban and ISIL when this sort of thing is still being done in Europe. It must be similarly ideological, the product of some sickness that despises beauty and heritage. The destroyers seem quite determined.

I don't know how they can do it, even the workers. You couldn't pay me enough money to destroy a beautiful old building like that. It is depressing to realise that not everyone has the same ideas or appreciation of things. This thread is as disheartening as the ones about the reconstruction of Potsdam and Dresden are uplifting.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 02:43 AM   #270
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This was Kasteel van Messen in Belgium. Sadly pulled down for no particular reason. Pure spite, probably. Nothing was built in its place, to my knowledge..

Heartbreaking, really...

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Castle-Mesen-75398516

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Mesen-Castle-431585791

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Mesen-Chapel-3-261850309

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Mesen-Chapel-2-261850172

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Kastee...Glass-65066232

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Kastee...esen-117984907


http://www.deviantart.com/art/Kastee...ship-102984153



http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/castle-...belgium.t58473


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCKpCA7-Yc0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3wjnDRD1A
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Alas, there is no difference between the two.

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Are you serious ????
Alas, there is no difference between the two. It is the wanton destruction of cultural heritage.
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By law, the French government cannot fund places of worship, besides a few exceptions.
Sometimes some small communities can't afford the expensive maintenance of these empty buildings and have no choice but to tear them down once they get unsound, although this is an oddity, not a common sight. They are usually replaced by smaller, cheaper, and more suitable places.

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Old July 7th, 2015, 08:07 PM   #276
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By law, the French government cannot fund places of worship, besides a few exceptions.
Sometimes some small communities can't afford the expensive maintenance of these empty buildings and have no choice but to tear them down once they get unsound, although this is an oddity, not a common sight. They are usually replaced by smaller, cheaper, and more suitable places.


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We can't fund places of worship therefore we have to pull them down. Because there's totally no other option, eh?

A de-consecrated church is not a place of worship, but it might well still be an important piece of cultural heritage and an object of beauty worth saving for posterity. You have to be pretty soulless not to see this.

There are store rooms under all the major galleries, not to mention bank-vaults, filled with paintings that seldom see the light of day. Why can't these disused churches be turned into art galleries? That's just one of numerous possible uses that could be proposed.
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This is not for you to judge, you are acting emotionally, not rationally. I would also add that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. As a matter of fact I could hardly find anything gloomier than a church besides maybe a cave, yet I won't use that as an excuse to request their demolition... who am I to claim what's good or not.

When a church is underfunded, several options are examined:
- selling the church (there are some fundraisers to purchase them)
- turning them into something else - hotel, market store, book store, museum...
- if anything else fails, which can be the case with some remote communities, demolition is the only sound option before it collapses and brings casualties.

Unfortunately, these building are unpractical and badly isolated which make them tedious to reuse.
If you disagree with the few demolitions there have been, you are untitled to crowd-fund some churches, but don't expect people to pay endlessly for something that has no use. There are already something like ~40K churches in France, a country where hardly 4% still attends the mass, half of them being more than 70 years old.
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WTF are they doing in France?! The interiors are absolutely intact. Those beautiful colonnades and recesses within the church!!
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This is not for you to judge, you are acting emotionally, not rationally.
When looking at a cultural religious building with hand carved elements that has stood for over 100 years and survived two world wars, it is perhaps best to have a little understanding of emotion and culture before turning it into a car park.

Europe is fast losing its identity. Spitting on our past does not help anyone but Allah.
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This is not for you to judge, you are acting emotionally, not rationally. I would also add that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. As a matter of fact I could hardly find anything gloomier than a church besides maybe a cave, yet I won't use that as an excuse to request their demolition... who am I to claim what's good or not.

When a church is underfunded, several options are examined:
- selling the church (there are some fundraisers to purchase them)
- turning them into something else - hotel, market store, book store, museum...
- if anything else fails, which can be the case with some remote communities, demolition is the only sound option before it collapses and brings casualties.

Unfortunately, these building are unpractical and badly isolated which make them tedious to reuse.
If you disagree with the few demolitions there have been, you are untitled to crowd-fund some churches, but don't expect people to pay endlessly for something that has no use. There are already something like ~40K churches in France, a country where hardly 4% still attends the mass, half of them being more than 70 years old.
There is the option of fencing it off and leaving it, maybe with some interior scaffolding, until someone does decide to make use of it. The idea that these structures would fall down and kill someone if they were not torn down is usually spurious. Ruins have been lovingly renovated after decades or even centuries of neglect.
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