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Old August 21st, 2015, 05:58 PM   #321
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And of course the Cathedral of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary with the defensive walls intact
I don't agree, that particular one is far from moronic. The demolition of the wall in front of the cathedral was positive as it opened up the space and made the whole old town a more compact whole..

However, the main problem here is not the destruction of the renaissance defense against the Turks but the sad reality that the square in front of the cathedral, after a century from the destruction of the walls, is still not defined. Both of the solutions, destroying the walls and keeping and redefining them, would be great if they were simply finished.

e.g. Viktor Kovačić, regulation of Kaptol, 1908.









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Old August 24th, 2015, 12:29 AM   #322
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I think Liverpool needs massive redevelopment with high-rises and modern architecture, it is the only way it can keep its game up regarding the rising prominence of Manchester and its skyline in NW England.
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Palmyra's Baalshamin temple 'blown up by IS'





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The ancient city, which is a Unesco World Heritage site, is famed for its well-preserved Greco-Roman ruins, and the Baalshamin temple, built nearly 2,000 years ago, is one of the city's best-known buildings.
The Islamic State group has destroyed several ancient sites in Iraq. The militants believe any shrines or statues implying the existence of another deity are sacrilege and idolatry, and should be destroyed.

The Baalshamin temple is dedicated to the Phoenician god of storms and fertilising rains, and was almost completely intact.
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Old August 24th, 2015, 12:54 PM   #324
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Hard to believe. Completely moronic a misfit.
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Old August 24th, 2015, 01:32 PM   #325
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In line with the teachings of Islam, not surprised. As soon as the UK and US decided Assad had to go - they basically decided to make Syria a caliphate in waiting.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 04:17 PM   #326
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The more we infidels bemoan such destruction, the happier the Islamic extremists are, and the more destruction they are likely to carry out.

I'm in two minds as to whether to blame Islam generally for such barbaric acts, meanwhile. On the one hand Muhammad set a precedent of iconoclasm by destroying pagan idols in Mecca. On the other, Syria has been under Islamic rule for about 1400 years. In the 600s and 700s Syria was the base of the original Caliphate. Hard to account for the survival of these monuments through all that.
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Old August 27th, 2015, 02:29 AM   #327
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Old August 27th, 2015, 11:27 AM   #328
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I don't agree, that particular one is far from moronic. The demolition of the wall in front of the cathedral was positive as it opened up the space and made the whole old town a more compact whole..

However, the main problem here is not the destruction of the renaissance defense against the Turks but the sad reality that the square in front of the cathedral, after a century from the destruction of the walls, is still not defined. Both of the solutions, destroying the walls and keeping and redefining them, would be great if they were simply finished.
Interesting.
On one hand, you don't agree it's moronic to tear down the defensive walls which made a unique historic whole (I don't see the problem in having another shell within the old town, open space plan with large squares predominates in the Lower Town as it is), thus leaving a blank empty, totally misutilized space which buses used as a roundabout and then in the same post you lament how the square is still not defined 115 years after those walls came down? Nah, I'd beg to differ and call that def a moronic half-cocked and half-planned multigenerational NOT solution
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Old August 27th, 2015, 02:43 PM   #329
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Interesting.
On one hand, you don't agree it's moronic to tear down the defensive walls which made a unique historic whole (I don't see the problem in having another shell within the old town, open space plan with large squares predominates in the Lower Town as it is), thus leaving a blank empty, totally misutilized space which buses used as a roundabout and then in the same post you lament how the square is still not defined 115 years after those walls came down? Nah, I'd beg to differ and call that def a moronic half-cocked and half-planned multigenerational NOT solution
Because it is still not defined. It wouldn't be defined even if those walls were left intact and that is my point. That half-solutions, regardless of the wall being torn down or not, are what is bad here, not the tearing of the wall per se.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 09:39 AM   #330
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Because it is still not defined. It wouldn't be defined even if those walls were left intact and that is my point. That half-solutions, regardless of the wall being torn down or not, are what is bad here, not the tearing of the wall per se.
Here's the explanation of the word "define" which should be valid in this context:
To make (something) distinct, clear, or detailed especially in outline

I don't think you could have gotten it any more defined than it was by the Archbishop's Palace and it's defensive walls which outlined it and made it into a separate, self-contained unit within Kaptol prectinct.
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Old August 29th, 2015, 03:58 PM   #331
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I think Liverpool needs massive redevelopment with high-rises and modern architecture, it is the only way it can keep its game up regarding the rising prominence of Manchester and its skyline in NW England.
Anybody competent can attest the Mann Island and Unity Buildings have scarred the cityscape. With the exception of maybe One Park West and a few projects at Princes Dock, almost nothing built in twenty-first century Liverpool is as appealing as older architecture like the Royal Liver Building and The Plaza.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 05:33 PM   #332
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The Temple of Bel, Palmyra, has just been imploded by ISIS.

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Old September 1st, 2015, 05:47 PM   #333
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Will be rebuild when this mosnters will be death.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 10:07 PM   #334
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Can you really rebuild a ruin?

Obviously, from a literal point of view, you can, but a ruin only makes sense in the context of it being the remains of an original structure
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They should take the chance to rebuild the temples as they were when they built now that that stupid venice charter does not apply to them anymore.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 01:09 AM   #336
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Well, Venice campanile was rebulid, and lots of ancient ruins were rebuild to a more representative way or to understand them better. In this case of Palmyra, i think that according to the great number of pics, 3D models and all that, is possible to rebuild the ruins easily.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 05:21 AM   #337
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Can you really rebuild a ruin?

Obviously, from a literal point of view, you can, but a ruin only makes sense in the context of it being the remains of an original structure
Obviously it won't be the same when rebuilt, but many of the world's famous ruins are actually either rebuilt or highly rejuvenated...
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Surabaya, Indonesia
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Hallo Surabaya Restaurant (Former Mardi Santoso Hospital and Orphanage)



This building was targeted for demolition in 2001 to make way for an unknown shopping mall project. Most of its backyard demolished and only the front building remains. Last used by Hallo Surabaya Restaurant in 2009 and closed in 2014 to sell it to a new owner. Hopefully the new owner preserved the remnant as a city heritage, whether he/she wants to convert it to shopping mall like before, hotels, etc.

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This building was demolished in 2012 due to long disputed since 1980's. The fate of the former site remains unknown. SMAK Dago also hosts B.J. Habibie, Indonesia's third president, as one of the student.
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Palmyra Funerary Towers -- gone.


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This is a very interesting (and sad) thread. I will post some examples in Madrid, Spain

Hotel Florida, demolished in 1964. This is the hotel where foreign journalists stayed in Madrid during the Spanish Civil War (among them Ernest Hemingway and John Dos Passos)


This is the building built in its place



Palace of the Duke of Anglada, demolished in 1970

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Hotel Villamagna, which stands in its place
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