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Old February 23rd, 2014, 02:35 PM   #61
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Jakarta post independence demolition:

MAIN REASON WHY: Communist leader (Sukarno) visions Pyongyang version of Jakarta filled with ugly commie blocks, demolishing large number of building in Weltvedrenen (Central Jakarta). Luckily his idea were scrapped because of his downfall.

Citadel Prins Frederik, demolished in the 1960s because it was too dilapitated, later displaced with Istiqal Mosque



Grand Hotel Java demolished 1950 including many of its surrounding old buildings



Gebouw van de Koninklijke Paketvaart-Maatschappij (KPM) bij de Sluisbrug - demolished for road widening



Kantoorgebouw der nijllmij (1957) for the sake of road widening, this is the cruelest so far



Nederlandsche Handels Maatschappij te 22 Noordwijk (1989)



Rathkamp and Co. Pharmacy (demolished after 1948)



St. Aloysius Broederschool (demolished, on its site stands carpark of Pertamina Headquarter)



Telefoonkantoor aan het Koningsplein



Hotel Des Indes, one of the best hotel in Asia at the time, and later replaced with Duta Merlin Plaza because of Sukarno's vision of modernism..



Societeit Harmonie, the oldest European club in Asia demolished and replaced with car park because its seen as colonial relic





Of course the buildings in Jakarta is isn't as grand as many other cities presented here or grander ex-colonial city like Rangoon, but they are still historical buildings. Around 25-40% of the colonial remnant in Jakarta has been destroyed or atleast dilapitating, gratefully most of them are the small shophouses instead of the grander buildings. Many colonial buildings can still be found in other cities such as Bandung and Surabaya who are considered lucky because they didn't have to face major economic growth in the past, today luckily there are increasing awareness of demolition of heritage buildings and hopefully other cities wouldn't have to see their heritage destroyed.
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Old June 6th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #64
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WHAT!?

Tell me that isn't true! That building was mighty impressive, what the bleep were they thinking. I demand a rebuild, otherwise I refuse to fly on JFK in the future.
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The massive Rio Piedras Penitentiary also known as "Oso blanco" wich was the name of the concrete brand used to make it.

It is a mix of Neo-moorish and Art Deco Architecture designed by Francisco Roldan in 1928 but built in 1933. This was the last known work by architect Francisco Roldan before he went to New York City in the 1930s.
It was listed in the U.S. Register of Historic Places in 2003.

Its court yard in 1959


In this link there is 200 photos of it taken in 2004
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Muhammad Ali doing an exibition fight in oso blanco in 1974




Some weeks earlier when the demolition began...


This is how it looks like today, 50% gone.

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Old August 10th, 2014, 05:20 PM   #66
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This is what's left when in 1885 it was destroyed the 11th century Byzantine church (Megali Panaghia) that in turn was built by re-assembling a 7th century three-naved basilica that in turn had been built over a 5th century one, all in the courtyard of the Library of Hadrian, just so the meager roman ruins from inside could be seen better...



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Old August 10th, 2014, 07:50 PM   #67
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I have said it before, I will say it again. The demolitions in Sao Paulo and Rio are amongst the worst anywhere on earth. Total cultural rape.

The last picture showing the ''redevelopment'' of avenida rio branco is one of the most disgusting I have seen anywhere..



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But why on earth they would demolish those old building? its too cruel to be true..
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Old August 12th, 2014, 07:40 AM   #72
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Reminiscence of colonial times?
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By the way, I would like to know more about it. Does anyone have any reference about these destructions (the operation's name or duration, for instance)? as it reminds me about the Italie 13 operation in Paris.
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Well, that street was constructed when Brazil was still ruled by a monarchy. Also the Portuguese monarchy resided for a while in Rio, so this architecture represents that Europeanism, wealth and enlightenment. To be honest, even a European nation would be jealous of how Rio presented itself back then. Such a beautiful fusion of styles.

However that is long in the past. Brazil is more an African/mixed black country demographically and culturally now rather than a former European colonial gem. The destruction of Rio represents that. The crap they built in Rio the last 60 years is what any rich and ambitious African country would be proud of.

Here are some former Portuguese colonies in Africa, pretty much the same happened there, these pictures could be Brazil, but they are Maputo and Luanda:








As you can see, there is little to no difference - take a look at one of the main squares in Belo Horizonte (Brazil) - Praca Raul Soares - pure 1960's Africa:

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But why on earth they would demolish those old building? its too cruel to be true..
I will tell the history if you don't mind.

Avenida Rio Branco at the end of Empire (1822-1889) and the very beginning of Republic (1889 - ...), was passing through a reurbanization. During Empire the city of Rio de Janeiro was just a big and old portuguese farm, and Brazil as whole.

At the first steps of reurbanization, 1890-1900.


1909 already receiving some french influence, and was a prosperous time in Brazil, receiving a lot of immigrants from Europe, Middle East and even Japan sent settlers in this period, brazilian population doubles itself in 30 years (1890-1920).






In 1930 was growing building with a lot more density. After this, it will be an event a lot more common while Brazil population start moving in to cities. For the city of Rio de Janeiro, with a very limited terrain and of course, taking the the modernism as a "brazilian new way of architecture", the cultural rape starts.


1940, the modernism building was the Ministery of Education. And the city itself was getting bigger.






1950. This architecture totally dominate brazilian cities, in 1960 even Brasília, the new federal capital of Brazil, would be 100% of this things:






today:


Edifícios no centro do Rio de Janeiro, no cruzamento da avenida Rio Branco com a avenida presidente Vargas by Eduardo F Miranda, on Flickr


Untitled by Diego Rocha Photo, on Flickr


Rio de Janeiro - Teatro Municipal by .**rickipanema**., on Flickr
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very sad story...

I notice that before Rio was rather small, typical small Portuguese colonial towns like shown in the "Paraty", atleast until the boom of industry which encourage immigrants and business. Similar pattern is shown in the growth of Batavia with all the building boom after the 1900s... Except in Brazil it seems to be on a massive scale.. the idea of modernization back after ww2 really screws everyhing... but atleast there seem to be few gems left there from the pic, i hope they won't rape those too

So if the lack of terrain is the reason why Rio's cultural rape occured how is the case for Sao Paulo?
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Sao Paulo is another disgusting example of destruction that proves, lack of space wasn't the problem, it was a stupid culture.
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very sad story...

I notice that before Rio was rather small, typical small Portuguese colonial towns like shown in the "Paraty", atleast until the boom of industry which encourage immigrants and business. Similar pattern is shown in the growth of Batavia with all the building boom after the 1900s... Except in Brazil it seems to be on a massive scale.. the idea of modernization back after ww2 really screws everyhing... but atleast there seem to be few gems left there from the pic, i hope they won't rape those too

So if the lack of terrain is the reason why Rio's cultural rape occured how is the case for Sao Paulo?
São Paulo, Curitiba, Porto Alegre, Recife... and any other major city in Brazil, would have in your centro (downtown) the first place to receive high density buildings. This basically condemned a lot of the most historical buildings in place, some cities more than others, but have others reasons as well, those historical buildings with bad maintenance, they ruined, burned... even today, a lot of nice buildings have a really bad maintenance. Had really more vain reasons too, the Palácio Monroe was demolished because President during the Military Dictatorship doesn't like it, even with petitions of the people claiming the Palácio Monroe as a landmark.

"A burrice no Brasil tem um passado glorioso e um futuro promissor" - Bob Fields (Roberto de Oliveira Campos)
"The stupidness in Brazil have a past of glory and a promising future"
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São Paulo, Curitiba, Porto Alegre, Recife... and any other major city in Brazil, would have in your centro (downtown) the first place to receive high density buildings. This basically condemned a lot of the most historical buildings in place, some cities more than others, but have others reasons as well, those historical buildings with bad maintenance, they ruined, burned... even today, a lot of nice buildings have a really bad maintenance. Had really more vain reasons too, the Palácio Monroe was demolished because President during the Military Dictatorship doesn't like it, even with petitions of the people claiming the Palácio Monroe as a landmark.

"A burrice no Brasil tem um passado glorioso e um futuro promissor" - Bob Fields (Roberto de Oliveira Campos)
"The stupidness in Brazil have a past of glory and a promising future"
Ahh yes downtown would suffer most, not only Brazil but around the world... Like how NYC, Sydney and Melbourne has lost many of its valuable architectures where its cbd develops..I understand how it felt how old buildings were constantly not protected, left to decay and destroyed for ugly souless blocks

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Well, that street was constructed when Brazil was still ruled by a monarchy. Also the Portuguese monarchy resided for a while in Rio, so this architecture represents that Europeanism, wealth and enlightenment. To be honest, even a European nation would be jealous of how Rio presented itself back then. Such a beautiful fusion of styles.

However that is long in the past. Brazil is more an African/mixed black country demographically and culturally now rather than a former European colonial gem. The destruction of Rio represents that. The crap they built in Rio the last 60 years is what any rich and ambitious African country would be proud of.

Here are some former Portuguese colonies in Africa, pretty much the same happened there, these pictures could be Brazil, but they are Maputo and Luanda:

img]http://www.prof2000.pt/users/avcultur/postais/LuandaPostais/016_Luanda.jpg[/img]

img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Portuguese_embassy%2C_Maputo.jpg/640px-Portuguese_embassy%2C_Maputo.jpg[/img]

IMG]http://enphoto980x880.mnstatic.com/maputo-and-its-rationalist-architecture_2516361.jpg[/IMG]


As you can see, there is little to no difference - take a look at one of the main squares in Belo Horizonte (Brazil) - Praca Raul Soares - pure 1960's Africa:

image hosted on flickr
I dont think African culture has something to do with the rape.. Both cities still has reasonable number of colonial architecture (in fact the portuguese destroy lots of the infras during indeppendence war), well don't know if they start to grow rapidly though.
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