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Old August 13th, 2014, 06:02 AM   #101
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Reality, you have no idea of what are you talking about. Brazilian culture is very deep influenced by the portuguese. I think you're being very superficial in your analysis.

Brazil has the largest african heritage outside Africa, there's no doubt about it, but the country still has a huge european influence. Brazilian cities grew faster during the 60's, 70's and 80's with bad planning, typical of 3rd world countries, it has nothing to do with the african heritage.

I believe you don't really know Buenos Aires, if you go outside the downtown, the places that look very european are not so common as you think.

This is a typical middle class avenue in Buenos Aires
https://www.google.com.br/maps/@-34....02743!2e1!3e10

Montevideo has a strong population of european heritage and doesn't look european at all, just some small areas.

Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina states, for example, are majority white by any standards and still the big cities don't look european.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 06:18 AM   #102
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Singapore is pretty much moronic as well, imo....

1950 The old CBD of Singapore seems to have few gems as well.. there's still fair number of old buildings left as of today, but not high quality old offices.



the process wasn't all started by the Singaporeans, but by the British... these pic below are taken in 1960s when Singapore was still a British colony.







http://www.businessinsider.com.au/ol...st-buildings-1

Now the only thing left of the old CBD is just the Furllerton hotel or the general post office building...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Th..._6,_Dec_05.JPG
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Old August 13th, 2014, 06:43 AM   #103
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Singapore is a case of needing more space, taller buildings.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 09:01 AM   #104
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Singer Building in NYC; once the world's tallest building and demolished in 1968.

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Old August 13th, 2014, 11:56 AM   #105
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Thank you for your contributions, especially about Brazil (it is very interesting to read the different theories about the modernist plague). But what is done can't be undone, unfortunately.

I'm utterly deppressed when I see other cities such as Singapore.

I have an exemple of a sort of "reversed" destruction in Lyon (France). See by yourself:

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Old August 13th, 2014, 03:45 PM   #106
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One which really bothers me happened in the 80's, in São Paulo, Brazil.

Everyone here knows Niemeyer from his Brasília designes. However, before that was already world famous for introducing grace to modernism (together with Burle Marx). During the fifties he went through a phase of structural researches that produced his best designs.

One of them was the Duchen factory, a beautiful example of how concrete could be explored for large spans as well as plastic effect. The result is beautiful, and Oscar'a handle of form and proportion produced a work of art rather than what could have been kitsch in the hands of less skilled architects.







When a transport company bought the lot from the bankrupt company, they started demolishing the award-winning building, which prompted the authorities to start a proccess to protect it. However, when Niemeyer himself was asked to testify, he said that this building wasn't important, that they might as well tear it down......

One of the reasons I dislike so much of his late work, in sharp contrast with his lively, light and elegant mid-century compositions. As Nikolai Ourossof said in the NYT, the greates danger to Niemeyer's legazy was himself (compare the National Museum in Brasília, which basically rapes the beautiful cathedral...)
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Old August 14th, 2014, 07:43 AM   #107
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Reality, you have no idea of what are you talking about. Brazilian culture is very deep influenced by the portuguese. I think you're being very superficial in your analysis.

Brazil has the largest african heritage outside Africa, there's no doubt about it, but the country still has a huge european influence. Brazilian cities grew faster during the 60's, 70's and 80's with bad planning, typical of 3rd world countries, it has nothing to do with the african heritage.
Maybe in terms its size, but most of Caribbean countries have a far larger African heritage than Brazil.

Regardless, the bulk of what you said is true, considering most of these modernist buildings in Brazil were commissioned, planned, and designed by whites. At the time of course, the black population was discriminated against much more than presently.
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Old August 14th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #108
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Salvador is one of the poorest cities in Brazil
On the contrary, Salvador is the 12th richest city in the country and the 2nd richest city in northeastern Brazil. It's the 3rd richest metropolis of the North-Northeast in GDP (after Recife and Fortaleza) and the richest in nominal GDP.

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Buenos Aires is different to Brazilian cities not because of the butterfly effect but because the people in charge had a different style of urban planning and modernism.
I have to disagree. Urban planning in Buenos Aires (and in Argentina) was not different from what happened in Brazil or Latin America. Pictures below state that very well.

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Old August 14th, 2014, 08:06 PM   #109
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Hamiliton Palace demolished 1921!:



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Old August 15th, 2014, 08:09 AM   #110
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Medan, Indonesia...

once a laidback peaceful city, today its a horrendous traffic infested city with horrible ugly buildings.... there's still many old buildings that stand but many also has become a victim of modernization that ruins the cityscape even further...

[IMG]http://oi39.************/2ew1mk1.jpg[/IMG]
http://************/view.php?pic=2ew1...5#.U-2WlOOSxrk

For example how this historical colonial architecture that dates back to the 1930s:


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/31938695

is turned into this (on the left):
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Old August 15th, 2014, 08:31 AM   #111
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No one mentioned the original New York Penn Station yet?
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Old August 15th, 2014, 01:25 PM   #112
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Dovenhof. Build in 1885. First "Kontorhaus" in Hamburg and inspirational building for many other developments that time. Survived war without any damage and was totally intact when it got demolished in 1969

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Old August 16th, 2014, 09:31 AM   #113
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The Morrison Hotel in Chicago, Illinois. First opened in 1914, 45-story tower added in 1925, Demolished in 1965 for the Chase Tower. I think they decided to demolish it all because of its location at the geographic center of the Chicago Loop. That is a really big demolition job, especially for its time.



In my opinion, it is always considered moronic to tear down a skyscraper this large, regardless of the architecture style.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 09:41 AM   #114
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Reality7 , there are none so ignorant that he who ignores his ignorance.
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Reality7 , there are none so ignorant that he who ignores his ignorance.
You mean than not that, learn English before trying to show everyone your limited intelligence.

Back to topic..

Trentham Hall, demolished 1912.




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Old August 17th, 2014, 11:06 AM   #116
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Casino Marie-Christine, Le Havre, Normandy, France (destruction 1960)


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Villa Aimée, Le Havre, Normandy, France (destruction 1987)

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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:06 PM   #119
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Partially ravaged colonial gems....

Kantoorgebouw der NILMIJ, Jakarta





Nederlandse Handels Maatschappij and Escomptobank in Surabaya









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Grand Tribunal/Supreme Court Building: Tokyo, Japan (demolished 1974)

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