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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #161
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Ranelagh Gardens



was replaced by this beaut (this has now been demolished)




Vauxhall Pleasure Gardens






Today:



Royal Doulton showroom



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The iconic Euston Station and hotel, demolished after much struggle but deemed impossible to save as they said they needed to lengthen
the platforms (which they never did in the end):





for this, THIS




Cheapside



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Birkbeck Bank







demolished 1965 for this



Foundling Hospital



Demolished 1926



School Board Building



Today:


Morning Post Building SCROLL>>>>>>




Today




Crystal Palace, burned down 1936




Today:



Coal Exchange, demolished 1962



now:



Dominion Theatre, got a direct hit in the Blitz



St Gile's Hotel today




Pantheon, Oxford Street




today





Old London Bridge



replaced by this in Victorian times (now sold and rebuilt in Havasu City, Arizona):



which in turn was replaced by today's wonder




And finally victim of the Great Fire of 1666, Old St Paul's Cathedral, one of the world's largest cathedrals if it had survived
-600ft long, 290ft wide, and 500ft tall.



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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:20 PM   #162
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Foundling Hospital seemed to have some sort of hippodrome?
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Old February 14th, 2015, 11:09 AM   #163
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Burley Griffin - Pyrmont incinerator





it was great even as a ruin, it looked as a mayan temple

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Old February 14th, 2015, 01:31 PM   #164
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London continued


The Royal Panopticon



Today. Yay!




Egyptian Hall




The Colosseum, Regent's Park (inside was a vast picture of a London panorama)







today:




Lowther Arcade





After:




Earl's Court's giant 308ft Wheel, 1894



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Old February 14th, 2015, 02:45 PM   #165
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The Nazis completed destroyed London. The modernist Nazis that is...
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Old February 14th, 2015, 03:06 PM   #166
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Actually most of what the Spliff fairy posted was pulled down socialist councils in the 50s and 60s.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 04:26 PM   #167
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I have said it before, I will say it again. The demolitions in Sao Paulo and Rio are amongst the worst anywhere on earth. Total cultural rape.

The last picture showing the ''redevelopment'' of avenida rio branco is one of the most disgusting I have seen anywhere..



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to...

too bad the modern photo is of Avenida Getulio Vargas, not Avenida Rio Branco.

this is Avenida Rio Branco




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Old February 14th, 2015, 04:41 PM   #168
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Reminiscence of colonial times?
nah, they were certainly built quite after the colonial times. Some were probably built in the Imperial period. One could say that Republicans decided to put down Empire buildings, but that wouldn´t also be true, because when Emperor Dom Pedro II died on exile in Europe, even the Republicans who had ousted him mourned him and brought his body back and he had a funeral and burial of a Emperor, and the Republicans themselves started viewing the Empire period (1822 - 1889) with nostalgia and started considering Dom Pedro II as the "perfect most noble brazilian ever".

There was no anger towards the Emperial period when these buildings were demolish.

They were demolished because this is prime area in Rio de Janeiro and maybe, because as it was said in this thread, after World War 1 or maybe WWII, people started looking at these victorian buildings as architectural aberrations.

They still survive in Rio de Janeiro... but often, they are a bit neglected, run down, etc.




I mean, these victorian buildings look beautiful when they are well taken care of. If the big corporations, wealth owners, etc, move out, and cheaper business, poorer homeowners, etc, move in, than the façades often start getting dirtier, covered by ugly signs, etc.

And you SEE those same buildings, like in the photos above, and barely recognize them.
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Well, that street was constructed when Brazil was still ruled by a monarchy. Also the Portuguese monarchy resided for a while in Rio, so this architecture represents that Europeanism, wealth and enlightenment
The portuguese monarchy (entire court) moved to Rio to flee Napoleon. Then they returned, leaving Dom Pedro I as prince regent in Brazil. Pedro I basically grew in Brazil and felt brazilian (and his father Dom João also liked a lot Brazil, because he only returned to Portugal apparently because republicans threatened to make Portugal a republic in his absence)

Anyway, it was Pedro II, brazilian at heart since he grew here, that made the country independent. Her wife Empress Leopoldina from Austria who opened the south to german immigration. And his son Pedro II who ruled the Empire for over 60 years.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 09:44 PM   #170
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too bad the modern photo is of Avenida Getulio Vargas, not Avenida Rio Branco.

this is Avenida Rio Branco




Too bad you feel it makes a difference/ The street looks like shit.

Also it is Av. Pres. Vargas, no Getulio in the official name.
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The portuguese monarchy (entire court) moved to Rio to flee Napoleon. Then they returned, leaving Dom Pedro I as prince regent in Brazil. Pedro I basically grew in Brazil and felt brazilian (and his father Dom João also liked a lot Brazil, because he only returned to Portugal apparently because republicans threatened to make Portugal a republic in his absence)

Anyway, it was Pedro II, brazilian at heart since he grew here, that made the country independent. Her wife Empress Leopoldina from Austria who opened the south to german immigration. And his son Pedro II who ruled the Empire for over 60 years.
Makes no difference, the style described in the picture is European, not ''Brazilian.'' This is ''Brazilian'' architecture:



This could be in any major European city:



This thread is about buildings that should have never been knocked down that were.. not national pride.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 10:03 PM   #172
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They still survive in Rio de Janeiro... but often, they are a bit neglected, run down, etc.

They don't really survive, 95% gone. I have been to Rio.


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Old February 14th, 2015, 10:18 PM   #173
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Makes no difference, the style described in the picture is European, not ''Brazilian.'' This is ''Brazilian'' architecture:

Um, no. It's indigenous architecture before Brazil even existed. It's like calling a teepee American architecture.
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Yes it is, it is unique to Brazil - was there before the portuguese arrived and is still there today. Thus truly Brazilian.

European neo classical architecture in Rio is not Brazilian architecture. Whether Pedro II felt Brazilian or not. That is the point.

If I build the Parthenon on Mars, it is not Martian architecture, it is Greek classical architecture on Mars.
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Old February 15th, 2015, 05:05 AM   #175
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Yes in a way, because we classify stuff relative to the present. When the Portuguese arrived in present-day Brazil, that wasn't "Brazilian" architecture and those weren't Brazilians because no such term existed. It's Yanomami architecture built by the Yanomami people. Today we classify Brazilians under a blanket term, including people descended from the Portuguese, blacks descended from slaves, indigenous people, and mixed. Consequently, classical architecture in Brazil is Brazilian, whether buildings incorporate elements of indigenous cultures or not.

Referring to my analogy again, is "American" architecture only stuff built by inhabitants before the Europeans? Is the White House not American architecture? What about the Empire State Building? Willis Tower? While they're all certainly European-derived, all are still considered wholly American.

Under your logic, if Brazil wanted to construct Brasilia in "Brazilian" architecture, it would be a bunch of indigenous structures, not European Le Corbusier format. Of course, this would send them to the stone age.
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Yes in a way, because we classify stuff relative to the present. When the Portuguese arrived in present-day Brazil, that wasn't "Brazilian" architecture and those weren't Brazilians because no such term existed. It's Yanomami architecture built by the Yanomami people. Today we classify Brazilians under a blanket term, including people descended from the Portuguese, blacks descended from slaves, indigenous people, and mixed. Consequently, classical architecture in Brazil is Brazilian, whether buildings incorporate elements of indigenous cultures or not.

Referring to my analogy again, is "American" architecture only stuff built by inhabitants before the Europeans? Is the White House not American architecture? What about the Empire State Building? Willis Tower? While they're all certainly European-derived, all are still considered wholly American.

Under your logic, if Brazil wanted to construct Brasilia in "Brazilian" architecture, it would be a bunch of indigenous structures, not European Le Corbusier format. Of course, this would send them to the stone age.
The house was designed by Irish-born James Hoban and built between 1792 and 1800 of white-painted Aquia Creek sandstone in the Neoclassical style. Is the building located in America? Yes. Is it American Architecture, no. Very simple.

Just because native Brazilian architecture is huts, does not mean when they build something neo classical, it has to be defined as Brazilian Architecture to compensate. This is not about national pride.



Here is some Roman architecture in Tunisia. Did the Romans actual build it? Nope, native Tunisians did. Is it Tunisian architecture? Nope.
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Old February 15th, 2015, 04:23 PM   #177
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Khreshchatyk, main thoroughfare of Kyiv, Ukraine. Destroyed by Soviet and German bombings during WW2.

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People, could you please stop to quote image posts? Especially if they are at the same page, that's really annoying, all the useless scrolling. You can turn the image links into URLs at least. Thank you!

Great pictures, anyway. It's too bad what happened to many South American cities, they had the great climate and dense urban vibes with classical architecture, much of that very special combination is gone in the metropolises. Now much of it looks alike, with loads of bland modernist buildings.
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The house was designed by Irish-born James Hoban and built between 1792 and 1800 of white-painted Aquia Creek sandstone in the Neoclassical style. Is the building located in America? Yes. Is it American Architecture, no. Very simple.
Okay so it was built by a foreigner, but I still 100% disagree with your "simple" logic and I bet more people do than agree.
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