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Old December 8th, 2013, 01:24 AM   #21
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Don't forget Philly and possibly Dallas.
Rumblings about a supertall in Minneapolis, as well.

But first things first, congrats to Seattle. I've always liked their skyline.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 07:47 PM   #23
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"Smith wants new tower as tall and iconic as possible
■Greg Smith is holding a design competition for local, national and international firms.

By NAT LEVY
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Greg Smith wants his newest project to be an icon, not just for Seattle but for the whole West Coast.

Last week, Smith's company Urban Visions filed preliminary permits to build a 77-story tower at 816 Second Ave., which is where its offices are. Plans call for 400 residential units, 930,000 square feet of office, 80,000 square feet of retail and underground parking for 673 vehicles. "

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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:31 AM   #24
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From todays DJC.

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December 9, 2013

Smith wants new tower as tall and iconic as possible

Greg Smith is holding a design competition for local, national and international firms.

By NAT LEVY
Journal Staff Reporter

Greg Smith wants his newest project to be an icon, not just for Seattle but for the whole West Coast.

Last week, Smith's company Urban Visions filed preliminary permits to build a 77-story tower at 816 Second Ave., which is where its offices are. Plans call for 400 residential units, 930,000 square feet of office, 80,000 square feet of retail and underground parking for 673 vehicles.

Smith said the number of units and mix of uses are still being determined, and he is studying going beyond 77 stories, which is one story more than the city's tallest building, Columbia Center.

At 967 feet, Columbia Center is the second tallest building on the West Coast, behind the 73-story US Bank Tower in Los Angeles, which is 1,018 feet according to the database Emporis.

Smith said he is holding a design competition for local, national and international firms and wants to pick a design team by the end of the first quarter of next year — or sooner.

“We want it to be as iconic a building as possible, and we want to make it as tall as possible,” Smith said.

There is no timeline for construction. Smith said he wants to get the project teed up quickly, but the quality of the building is a top priority.

He is working with his brother, Mickey Smith, who is a principal at Martin Smith Inc. They have worked together on projects since the 1980s.

The Metropolitan Grill is also a partner on the project, and will have a restaurant in the new building.

Several other office or mixed-use projects are on the drawing boards for south downtown. Schnitzer West is planning a 36-story office tower called Madison Centre at 505 Madison St., and Daniels Real Estate wants to build a 43-story hotel and office tower at Fifth Avenue and Columbia Street. Triad Development has been planning a 42-story office and apartment building at Third Avenue and Cherry Street.

Smith said he doesn't see them as competition because of the mix of uses and proximity to the waterfront his project will have. Smith said he hasn't decided whether to put office space in the project, but he said the waterfront, ferry terminal and Pioneer Square will be big draws for his building.

“I think the residential will do fabulously here, and the views will be like none other,” Smith said. “If we do office, it's a chance for an office user much like Russell Investments did to make an iconic statement about themselves. In today's world for a business, it's all about finding buildings that represent their values, and that's what attracts and retains employees.”
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Old December 11th, 2013, 12:47 AM   #25
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"Smith wants new tower as tall and iconic as possible
■Greg Smith is holding a design competition for local, national and international firms.

By NAT LEVY
Journal Staff Reporter
Greg Smith wants his newest project to be an icon, not just for Seattle but for the whole West Coast.

Last week, Smith's company Urban Visions filed preliminary permits to build a 77-story tower at 816 Second Ave., which is where its offices are. Plans call for 400 residential units, 930,000 square feet of office, 80,000 square feet of retail and underground parking for 673 vehicles. "

http://www.djc.com/news/re/12060142.html
The problem is Columbia Center was initially proposed as a Supertall at 1,006 feet but was shot down by the FAA.

Assuming this does make it to Supertall status, taking a rough estimate here... but 930,000 square feet of office space would be about 600 feet. 400 residential units, depending on the size, would be about 450 feet.

I would bet anywhere from 1,050 feet to 1,150 feet depending on a spire/crown.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 03:09 AM   #26
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Seattle, one of America's and the world's greatest skylines. A supertall would make it even better.


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Old December 11th, 2013, 04:20 AM   #27
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Okay well... sorry to be a downer but I just looked at the Developer's portfolio, and I wouldn't count on this Supertall getting built... the Developer has almost no track record, and certainly not enough past experience to pull off a Supertall.

It is possible he can get the plans approved and then sell the approved plans and the land to a legit developer, but otherwise, this is DOA.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 05:18 AM   #28
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The location is downhill from the Columbia Center by 2 blocks. Gregg Smith did say in that interview he wanted it 77 floors or taller if it makes sense. I am paraphrasing but they are certainly open to the idea. What I like is this will possibly be a hotel condo combo and not offices as there is another 600' + office building breaking ground in a few weeks next to the Columbia Center so they will not be in competition but rather compliment each other. We are very aware of their record but we decided to take a positive spin. The financing could come from foreign interests which seems to be getting rather common, so we will take a wait and see approach and be more optimistic until we hear otherwise.

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Old December 11th, 2013, 06:38 AM   #29
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Okay well... sorry to be a downer but I just looked at the Developer's portfolio, and I wouldn't count on this Supertall getting built... the Developer has almost no track record, and certainly not enough past experience to pull off a Supertall.

It is possible he can get the plans approved and then sell the approved plans and the land to a legit developer, but otherwise, this is DOA.
I was just thinking that it seems odd that the developer has a specific height of the tower before even having any design for the project. That doesn't make any sense me.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 08:06 PM   #30
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Second avenue would put it quite a bit farther downhill from the Columbia building...so to be actually taller on the skyline it would have to be somewhere over 70' taller than Columbia. (base elevation difference between 2nd and Marion and 5th and Columbia is 70'). This would also make it taller than US Bank in LA and maybe over roof height of Wilshire Grand

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Old December 11th, 2013, 10:01 PM   #31
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i disagree man. the space needle will lose its place with a supetall.

bad mistake imo.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 10:21 PM   #32
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In the pantheon of "health of Downtown," "jobs in the core," "housing in the core," etc., I'd put "quality of view from Queen Anne Hill" around #26.

Further, I'd love to see a growing skyline. While there's been huge growth in recent decades, the four tallest buildings date from 1984-1990.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #33
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i disagree man. the space needle will lose its place with a supetall.

bad mistake imo.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 10:38 AM   #34
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What 'place' will the Space Needle lose? It's been surmounted by taller buildings since 1969.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 12:06 PM   #35
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all i meant was itll become less and less obvious with newer supertalls emerging.

the space needle should remain the most iconic building in the city imo. if only it was taller
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In the Kerry Park view, the Space Needle will always be the highlight because it will always be front and center.
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the Space Needle will for a long time have a position of prominence on the skyline simply because it is some distance from DT and surrounded on three sides by Seattle Center and to the west by descending hillside to the water. However time marches on...remember the Smith Tower? For decades it was the tallest building west of the Mississippi, a distinct symbol of Seattle and prosperity of the Northwest. Now it almost looks like a toy in the skyline.
This new building would be only be two blocks down and one block north from Columbia so it will be in the heart of of DT. I'd be more concerned if it blocked the view of Mt Rainier for Kerry Park...but it won't.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 04:27 PM   #38
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This is Genslers proposal. Urban Visions is apparently still interviewing architects though. Regardless, gives an idea on height! A new tallest by a big margin!
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Wow, that looks huge. So many cities in the US are getting their new tallest, and its great.
Definitely excited for more info on this one
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Looks over 400m! Seeing as Columbia Center looks to be on there which is just shy of 300m
A great addition to the Seattle skyline that would be
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