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Old April 5th, 2007, 03:43 PM   #321
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But the only problem is that it's not a bus And I don't think that this "bus" is longer.
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Old April 5th, 2007, 04:14 PM   #322
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When is a bus a bus?

(would be a good song title either...)
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Old April 5th, 2007, 06:30 PM   #323
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But the only problem is that it's not a bus And I don't think that this "bus" is longer.
What the hell is it if its not a bus?

And it's waaaay longer than 25m, that much is pretty obvious.
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Old April 5th, 2007, 07:11 PM   #324
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I'm guessing backing up is quite hard to do...
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Old April 6th, 2007, 08:22 PM   #325
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The chinese Bus looks indeed like a Van Hool. The AGG300 is also used on Hamburg's Metrobus line 5 (allegedly the busline with the highest ridership in Europe). Metrobus line 5 runs mostly on an own buslane (which was actually a tram track until the early 1970's), but in the city centre it has to go through some narrow roads and curves. It works.
Those long busses are a good alternative to trams on routes where ridership is not constantly high. Also you don't have to built tracks and maintenance facilities.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 08:30 PM   #326
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Can you post a picture of Hamburg's Metrobus line 5?
Just did some searching, this Chinese companie's foreign JV partner is Neoplan(subsidiary of MAN AG), so it's not Van Hool?
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Old April 6th, 2007, 08:36 PM   #327
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When is a bus a bus?

(would be a good song title either...)
I would say this bus is the longest in the world.

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Old April 6th, 2007, 08:42 PM   #328
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AGG300 arriving at the bus station at Hamburg's town hall square. At this time it was still under evaluation. Now it is under regular service (also passing exactly this road).
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Old April 7th, 2007, 04:34 AM   #329
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if it is so congested that you need a 25 m bus, should you invest in light rail. wouldn't that be more practical?
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Old April 7th, 2007, 04:39 AM   #330
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if it is so congested that you need a 25 m bus, should you invest in light rail. wouldn't that be more practical?
I dont know what you mean by light rail, if you mean elevated quasi-subway, then no it's not an option, this BRT route runs through central Beijing, it runs on Zhongzhou Lu, (central axis road) in fact, so light rail would obstruct the views.If you mean the tram/street car in Europe then they dont really have a larger capacity than BRT.
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Old April 7th, 2007, 01:05 PM   #331
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I think any sort of articulated bus is dumb on city streets... the double decker is a much better design.
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Old April 7th, 2007, 01:19 PM   #332
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No, I think articulated busses are better. Procedures at bus stops are faster with them than with double deckers. And the route planners don't have to take care about bridges which might be too low for driving under it.
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Old April 7th, 2007, 06:51 PM   #333
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No, I think articulated busses are better. Procedures at bus stops are faster with them than with double deckers. And the route planners don't have to take care about bridges which might be too low for driving under it.
exactly, try to get out of a CROWDED double decker bus..heh...
This BRT route also has few turns, that's why a double articulated bus is suitable,
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Old April 8th, 2007, 04:15 AM   #334
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Old April 9th, 2007, 03:40 AM   #335
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Does it turn pretty well?
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Old April 10th, 2007, 01:45 PM   #336
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I think any sort of articulated bus is dumb on city streets... the double decker is a much better design.
So why is the double decker so extremely unpopular? I'd say that large cities using them are: London, Hong Kong and - to some extent - Berlin. And the rest uses articulated ones...
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Old April 10th, 2007, 07:42 PM   #337
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I really wish BRT would take off. Sure it may not be as "sexy" as LRT, but it usually has faster speeds and acceleration, more frequent service, and is more manuverable if something happens along the route.

Toronto still runs "old school" streetcar LRT, and the lines get backed up regularly due to boken down vehicles and various street activity (however unlike most modern LRTs, most of these routes are not separated from street traffic).
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Old April 11th, 2007, 08:35 PM   #338
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So why is the double decker so extremely unpopular? I'd say that large cities using them are: London, Hong Kong and - to some extent - Berlin. And the rest uses articulated ones...
Double Deckers and Articulated both have their own pro and con.

Double-deckers and articulated have about the same passenger capacity.

But articulated needs a bigger turning radius. If the city has a lot of narrow streets, double deckers are better for turning purpose. On the other hand, if the city has been developed with a lot of low clearences; articulated is better.

For cities around the world, low cleasences is the problem of using double deckers.

A few years ago, Macao/Macau tried to import double deckers to accommandate the passenger need, however, the city itself has been developed with many low clearence and finding a route to fit the vehicles was not feasible. But the city also has some of the narrowest city street in the world can't fit an articulated also. The city ended up with more single deck non-articulated buses lead to more congestion.
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Old April 11th, 2007, 10:04 PM   #339
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What the hell is it if its not a bus?

And it's waaaay longer than 25m, that much is pretty obvious.
It's a lorry with people in it.
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Old April 11th, 2007, 10:23 PM   #340
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There aren't double-articulated buses in Tallinn, but we have buses with a trailer so total length is 24m and a capacity of about 200 people. .


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