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Old December 23rd, 2014, 05:17 AM   #561
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Wuhan Tram

I came across an article yesterday, which announces 15 lines for Wuhan. the expected lenghts would be 214 KM.
Line 1 seems under construction and is supposed to open next year (215).

With numbers like this, 2,000 KM tram network in China should not be a big suprise ... remember Shanghai discussed 600 KM (which I deem is a bit over the top ...)
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 11:23 AM   #562
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could you post a link to your sources?

About the Chinese Wikipedia, I cannot find a page dealing with a trm summary ... only one general one about urban transport, which only lists a few cities ...
There you go: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templat...BD%BB%E8%BD%A8.
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 06:59 PM   #563
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could you post a link to your sources?

About the Chinese Wikipedia, I cannot find a page dealing with a trm summary ... only one general one about urban transport, which only lists a few cities ...
The Siemens document is here :
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=209
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Old January 1st, 2015, 07:28 PM   #564
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Yesterday first tram line - Haizhu Island Tram - opened in Guangzhou. Map from urbanrail.net:

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Old January 7th, 2015, 05:23 AM   #565
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Haizhu Island Tram - open 2014.12.31


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Canton Tower Station


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Canton Tower East Station


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Liede Bridge South Station


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Nanfeng Station



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Pazhou Bridge South Station



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Pazhou Pagoda Station



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Old January 8th, 2015, 12:23 AM   #566
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Shanghai I believe has not a tramway line but a translohr line....Will future tramway lines in Shanghai use the Translohr technology or will they be "real tramways-streetcars"?
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Old February 8th, 2015, 08:26 AM   #567
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Shanghai I believe has not a tramway line but a translohr line....Will future tramway lines in Shanghai use the Translohr technology or will they be "real tramways-streetcars"?
Maybe suspended monorail too.

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Old February 10th, 2015, 06:50 PM   #568
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From Railway Gazette:

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Bombardier and New United Group form signalling joint venture
10 Feb 2015


Suzhou tramway

CHINA: Bombardier Transportation and New United Group have finalised an agreement to establish a signalling and train control joint venture. Each company will have a 50% share in the joint venture, which will be known as Bombardier NUG Signalling Solutions Co Ltd.

The Changzhou-based company will focus on communications, signalling and monitoring systems for the Chinese metro and light rail markets, including moving-block train control.

Bombardier and NUG have co-operated in the Bombardier CPC Propulsion System Co Ltd joint venture since 2003

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Old February 14th, 2015, 07:26 AM   #569
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Overview

Hello.

The recent weeks, I did some research. Thanks also to CNGL and intres for their links.

Altogether I find plans resulting in > 2,300 km until 2020.
The following cities will have tram systems then:


01 Dalian 1909
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Changchun 1941
03 Tianjin 2007
04 Shanghai 2010
05 Shenyang 2013
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Nanjing 2014
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Suzhou 2014
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Guangzhou 2014
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Beijing 2015
10 Zhuhai 2015
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Huai´an 2015
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Shenzhen 2015
13 Chengdu 2015
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Hefei 2015
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Qingdao 2015
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Xuzhou 2015
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Liupanshui 2016
18 Foshan 2016
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Wuhan 2016
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Kunshan 2017
21 Ningbo 2017
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Haikou 2017
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Chongqing 2017
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Zhengzhou 2018
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Sanya ?
26 Xiamen ?
27 Lhasa ?
28 Zhuzhou ?
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Old February 16th, 2015, 02:51 PM   #570
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Shanghai I believe has not a tramway line but a translohr line....Will future tramway lines in Shanghai use the Translohr technology or will they be "real tramways-streetcars"?
I do not think that Translohr (New Translohr) is capable of working on projects of this scale. I found an old article announcing 800 kilometers of trams for the megalopolis of Shanghai by 2020:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_16994688.htm

and another:
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/p.../shdaily.shtml
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Old February 17th, 2015, 12:32 AM   #571
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In Dr.Dennis.Deng's list are omitted two cities, Hong Kong (since 1904) and Anren (since 2011); I suppose there may be a reason behind each of these absences: in the first one, trams are an iconic presence in city streets as well as an useful form of transportation, but the city belongs to a SAR and doesn't form part of Mainland China; in the second one the system is more or less what it's called “heritage streetcar” in USA, mainly for tourists, however it has some transport meaning, at least in perspective, since they think to extend tracks reaching a total length of 5 km and to ban cars from city center (an 1,3 square kilometers area within which only trams, bicycles and pedestrians will be allowed, if I correctly understood).
IMHO the two cities are to be added to the list anyway, I've guessed or not: in the first case, I think so, although I respect other points of view; otherwise I hope no one minds my overthinking.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 01:17 AM   #572
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I think you might want to categorize different types of 'trams' a bit more. The term is used both for light rail and those old street cars depending on where you are. And in lots of cases light rail is just seen as 'modern' trams

The difference between those old street cars and light rail is humongous and it shouldn't be categorized as the same though. Which makes me point a finger at the Dalian line from 1909 and the Changchun line from 1941


Another point I'd like to make is that we can be sure of one thing going forward, and that is that the chinese government will come up with more stimulus packages in the years to come in order to reach their gdp growth targets. And we all know that infrastructure is the favourite sector for the stimulus money to be poured into

So lets hope for a higher oil price now asap so that the chinese growth can slow enough in order for the government to add another stimulus package soon?
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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:25 AM   #573
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Light Rail and trams are two different things. Light Rail is seen at the top of this page and generally has a completely dedicated right of way, but can also run on surface streets, unlike heavy rail. The stations are still placed rather far apart, usually 1/2 mile to 1 mile apart. Those stations are significant structures.

Trams and streetcars are essentially the exact same thing, which have slightly smaller trains running at grade parallel to existing road infrastructure. They can either share existing lanes or run in dedicated lanes, like the many examples of running in the dedicated medians of the ceremonial avenues in Europe. Their stations are often curbside with a smaller structure, and are spaced much closer together, often within 1000 feet of each other like bus stops. While less efficient, this is most effective at generating street life and promoting transit oriented development. It is the small scale that is best for it, something that China has been failing at, MISERABLY!!!

I absolutely hope they are not putting too much focus on Translohr. Paris did and they have realized how useless it is, particularly in snow. They are essentially guided buses on a single rail with pairs of angled wheels. This helps steer it, but also applies very little downward pressure since the weight is taken by rubber tires. With so little pressure, they derail frequently, and are exactly as prone to any disruptions or blockages as ordinary trams. Modern trams and streetcars are so quiet that the difference from rubber tires is very minimal at best.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 12:09 PM   #574
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I did not include Hong Kong, because it is not mainland China. About Anren ... I would have to re-think ... it is just a tourist line (like at Qianmen Lu in Beijing) ... but using "real trams". Are those former Changchun carriages?

About Light Rails ... look at Changchun´s line 3 and 4 ... it is not that easy in China to define the differences ...
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I understand that (HK is not mainland China), but the LRT system there is important
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Rail_%28Hong_Kong%29
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Don't know how safe I'd feel riding around in a China tram
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I did not include Hong Kong, because it is not mainland China. About Anren ... I would have to re-think ... it is just a tourist line (like at Qianmen Lu in Beijing) ... but using "real trams". Are those former Changchun carriages?

About Light Rails ... look at Changchun´s line 3 and 4 ... it is not that easy in China to define the differences ...
Although both systems (Beijing's Quianmen Lu and Anren) are for tourists, there's a huge difference: the first one (as well as the one that plies “30's Nanjing Road” in Shanghai Film Park, when it isn't used for a shoot) is a mere attraction, which you take only for the sake of tasting an old tram ride - it runs its 750 m long track only during public holidays, has an high fare, etc. - whereas the second one should serve as an actual transit service that connects main touristic places and offers a chance to sightsee the city from an uncommon point of view - it runs daily, a ride costs a reasonable price and the whole trip takes 20', an amount of time no one (but me, who I'm an hardcore transit fan) would spend on a tram only for the fun of riding it.
About Anren tramcars, coachwork and interiors are probably new: bodies of withdrawn Changchun and Dalian series don't match, having different doors/windows number; while bogies, mechanical/electrical equipment and maybe part of the framework could be second-hand: I've seen (here) a picture showing driver controls (controller and air brake handle) that seem to be very old, and the caption above says so.
Since all information I found comes from internet, mostly via Google Translator, they could be inaccurate and therefore my conclusions could be wrong: I'll be very grateful if someone Chinese speaking or who knows these trams could confirm them.

AFAIK, there are only two system in China labeled LRT, in Hong Kong (see nanar post) and in Changchun - where tram (lines 54 and 55) and LRT (lines 3 and 4) are entirely separate entities - but the last one has level crossing with gates on the at grade section (I saw them tanks to map.qq.com “street view”) hence it could also use signalling instead of “line of sight” driving: if this occurred, the system would be more a light metro (belonging to trains class) than a proper LRT (belonging to trams class). Once again, I hope someone will clarify this point.
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The world's first hydrogen tram from CSR Sifang:
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