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Old July 5th, 2016, 06:43 PM   #641
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Now that 2015 has passed, let's go back and see what happened since 2008.

1- Beijing: 198km by 2008, 419km by 2012, 561km by 2015, 1000km+ within 2050. It ended 2015 with 554 km, as a part of line 14 is still missing. It was at 442 km by the start of 2013. I cannot believe it was 'only' 199 km long back in 2008.
2- Shanghai: 234km by 2008, 400km+ by 2010, 510km by 2012, 970km by 2020. Currently at 588 km, but it won't be longer than 800 km in 2020. And as expected it ended 2010 above the 400 km mark (at 425 km), but it had only added an extra 12 km by the end of 2012 (ending that year with 437 km). It's also hard to believe it was so 'short' in 2008 at 228 km.
3- Guangzhou: 116km by 2008, 255km by 2010, 550km by 2015, 666km by 2020. 550 km by 2015? Really? It has only 241 km in service (without counting the Guangfo line which I consider as part of Foshan, which adds another 27 km). It has struggled to grow since 2011 (when it had 216 km, again without the Guangfo line), however it will explode next year to 460 km.
4- Shenzhen: 28km by 2008, 155km by 2011, 245km by 2020, 585km by 2030. It was stuck at 177 km from mid 2011 until a few days ago. Now 231 km long, and with either line 7 or 9 will surpass what was envisaged for 2020 back in 2008.
5- Wuhan: 10km by 2008, 530km by 2015. Another incredibly inflated number. It is neither at 530 km nor at 220 km, but at only 129 km. It will grow to 337 km by 2020.
6- Chongqing: 19km by 2008, 96km by 2010, 356km by 2020, 513km by 2050. Currently at 202 km, and will pass the 356 km mark by next year, in fact it will be 427 km long by 2020. It was still at 19 km at the start of 2011 and grew to 52 km by the end of that year.
7- Nanjing: 21km by 2008, 74km by 2010, 119km by 2015, 455km by 2020. Longer than expected, it is already 225 km long (143 km without counting the suburban lines) and it was at 87 km by the end of 2010. However it will fall short by 2020, when it is expected to be 391 km long (190 km without the suburban lines).
8- Shenyang: 0km by 2008, 182km within 2020, 332km within 2050, 400km within 2050 too. Currently 55 km long, it is planned to have 200+ km by 2020 and 400+ km well within 2050.
9- Hangzhou: 0km by 2008, 82km by 2010, 278km within 2050. It was still at zero by the end of 2010, as it only opened in 2012. Now at the planned length by then (82 km), it is expected to grow to 227 km by 2020, so the 278 km mark will be achieved well before 2050.
10- Chengdu: 0km by 2008, 274km by 2035. Currently at 89 km, by 2020 it will be longer than what was envisioned for 2035 back in 2008 at 291 km.
11- Dalian: 49km by 2008, 193km by 2020, 262km by 2030. Currently at 141 km (But only 37 km of metro proper, the rest is suburban), it will be at 200+ km by the end of current year (But that depends on when Line R4 opens), thus surpassing the 2008 projection for 2020.
12- Xi'an: 0km by 2008, 251km by 2020. Currently at 52 km, however it will be at half by 2020 at 126 km.
13- Tianjin: 26km by 2008, 130km by 2010, 227km by 2020. Far larger plan coming. And what a far larger plan they have now . Anyway, it was at 71 km in 2008 as the figure missed then line B1 (now line 9), and remained the same through 2010. Now at 137 km and expected to be 300+ km long by 2020.
14- Zhengzhou: 0km by 2008, 220km by 2020. Currently at 26 km, will be around 220 km by 2020, the only one that stayed level.
15- Changchun: 0km by 2008, 52km by 2010, 179km by 2020. The 32 km long line 3 was already present by 2008, and was also the only line by 2010. Currently at 51 km, but all light rail. For heavy metro the figure is still at zero. Counting both light and heavy rail, it will not have reached three figures by 2020 (90 km).
16- Changsha: 0km by 2008, 172km planned. Currently 50 km (not counting the maglev, which is also not included in Shanghai's figure). Will be at 143 km by 2020.
17- Wuxi: 0km by 2008, 160km by 2015. 160 km? Only 56 km, and they have started constructing more only this year...
18- Harbin: 0km by 2008, 143km by 2025. Currently 17 km, won't be that long by 2025 as it will have only 91 km.
19- Suzhou: 0km by 2008, 25km by 2012, 135km by 2020. As said, it got 26 km in 2012. Now 52 km, and with what is now U/C already amounts to more than 135 km. In fact it will be 206 km long by 2020.
20- Qingdao: 0km by 2008, 128km planned. Currently 12 km, it will have 261 km by 2020 (of which 140 km will be from two suburban lines with 70 km each)
21- Ningbo: 0km by 2008, 72km by 2015. It missed the projection as it ended 2015 with 49 km. It is now, however, at 76 km, and will be 174 km long by 2020.
22- Lanzhou: 0km by 2008, 59km by 2015. What the heck? Still at zero now. Expected opening in 2017. It will be 35 km long by 2020.

At the time of that post (2008) several cities were still drawing its plans and thus are missing. Several have metros already in operation: Kunming (since 2012!), Nanchang, Fuzhou, Dongguan, Nanning; others are under construction and far more are planning, the list appears never to end.

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Expected opening dates for China's new metros:

Year 2010
Chengdu (As expected)
Guangzhou+Foshan (Referring to the Guangfo line, as expected)
Shenyang also opened in 2010

Year 2011
Hangzhou (Open in 2012)
Lanzhou ( Now expected for 2017)
Xi'an (As expected)
Zibo ( There are no plans yet AFAIK!)

Year 2012
Harbin (Open in 2013)
Kunming (As expected)
Hefei ( Now expected by the end of current year, 2016)
Suzhou (As expected)

Year 2013
Zhengzhou (As expected)

Year 2014
Nanchang (Open in 2015)

Year 2015
Changsha (Open in 2014)
Dongguan (Open in 2016)
Fuzhou (Open in 2016)
Ningbo (Open in 2014)
Qingdao (As expected)
Taiyuan (Now expected for 2018)
Ürümqi (Now expected for 2019)
Wenzhou (Now expected for 2018, will be a suburban railway)
Wuxi (Open in 2014)

Year 2017
Guiyang (Still expected for 2017)

Exact date unknown (Now are all known )
Jinan (Now expected by 2018)
Shijiazhuang (Now expected by 2017)
Xuzhou (Now expected by 2017)
Nanning (Already open! A few days ago, 2016)
Changzhou (Now expected by 2018)
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BYD Enters Monorail Market

BYD Co., the electric-car maker that counts Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. as a shareholder, is in talks with several of China’s smaller cities on building monorail systems to preempt traffic congestion spurred by rapid growth in automobile ownership. ...

BYD will utilize its core technology in electric vehicles, batteries and materials to build the monorail systems, which will be paid for by local governments, he said. The company will begin operating a 4.4-kilometer line at its base in the southeastern China city of Shenzhen in September, he said. An eight-carriage train will be able to carry about 1,600 standing passengers.


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Old July 11th, 2016, 08:51 PM   #643
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The retaliation is swift ?


Mainland electric car manufacturer BYD said the bulk of a 1.8 billion yuan (HK$2 billion) deal that it only just won from a Shenzhen government-owned bus operator last week has been cancelled.

The company said in announcements to the Hong Kong and Shenzhen stock exchanges late on Monday that Shenzhen Western Bus Co. has terminated a procurement plan for 2,228 10-metre long electric buses from its subsidiary BYD Auto Industry. ...

Shenzhen has set a target to make its fleet of 16,000 buses all powered by batteries by 2017, according to its mayor Xu Qin.


- PUBLISHED : Monday, 11 July, 2016, 10:23pm, http://www.scmp.com/business/compani...electric-buses
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Old July 15th, 2016, 10:16 PM   #644
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A long overdue news - another new tram network in Honghe, Yunnan Region started testing in April before opening around this or next year:
http://www.ynjg.com/index.php?m=cont...tid=9&id=11197





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Old July 16th, 2016, 12:35 AM   #645
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I had read a tram was U/C in Mengzi (labelled as Honghe Hanizu Yizu in Google Maps), so it may be definitely be this one. Any map of it? Meanwhile the Zhuhai tram is... not in operation (still). Fortunately AnsaldoBreda is gone.
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I guess this one is map of Honghe tram:

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Now that 2015 has passed, let's go back and see what happened since 2008.

1- Beijing: 198km by 2008, 419km by 2012, 561km by 2015, 1000km+ within 2050. It ended 2015 with 554 km, as a part of line 14 is still missing. It was at 442 km by the start of 2013. I cannot believe it was 'only' 199 km long back in 2008.
2- Shanghai: 234km by 2008, 400km+ by 2010, 510km by 2012, 970km by 2020. Currently at 588 km, but it won't be longer than 800 km in 2020. And as expected it ended 2010 above the 400 km mark (at 425 km), but it had only added an extra 12 km by the end of 2012 (ending that year with 437 km). It's also hard to believe it was so 'short' in 2008 at 228 km.
3- Guangzhou: 116km by 2008, 255km by 2010, 550km by 2015, 666km by 2020. 550 km by 2015? Really? It has only 241 km in service (without counting the Guangfo line which I consider as part of Foshan, which adds another 27 km). It has struggled to grow since 2011 (when it had 216 km, again without the Guangfo line), however it will explode next year to 460 km.
4- Shenzhen: 28km by 2008, 155km by 2011, 245km by 2020, 585km by 2030. It was stuck at 177 km from mid 2011 until a few days ago. Now 231 km long, and with either line 7 or 9 will surpass what was envisaged for 2020 back in 2008.
5- Wuhan: 10km by 2008, 530km by 2015. Another incredibly inflated number. It is neither at 530 km nor at 220 km, but at only 129 km. It will grow to 337 km by 2020.
6- Chongqing: 19km by 2008, 96km by 2010, 356km by 2020, 513km by 2050. Currently at 202 km, and will pass the 356 km mark by next year, in fact it will be 427 km long by 2020. It was still at 19 km at the start of 2011 and grew to 52 km by the end of that year.
7- Nanjing: 21km by 2008, 74km by 2010, 119km by 2015, 455km by 2020. Longer than expected, it is already 225 km long (143 km without counting the suburban lines) and it was at 87 km by the end of 2010. However it will fall short by 2020, when it is expected to be 391 km long (190 km without the suburban lines).
8- Shenyang: 0km by 2008, 182km within 2020, 332km within 2050, 400km within 2050 too. Currently 55 km long, it is planned to have 200+ km by 2020 and 400+ km well within 2050.
9- Hangzhou: 0km by 2008, 82km by 2010, 278km within 2050. It was still at zero by the end of 2010, as it only opened in 2012. Now at the planned length by then (82 km), it is expected to grow to 227 km by 2020, so the 278 km mark will be achieved well before 2050.
10- Chengdu: 0km by 2008, 274km by 2035. Currently at 89 km, by 2020 it will be longer than what was envisioned for 2035 back in 2008 at 291 km.
11- Dalian: 49km by 2008, 193km by 2020, 262km by 2030. Currently at 141 km (But only 37 km of metro proper, the rest is suburban), it will be at 200+ km by the end of current year (But that depends on when Line R4 opens), thus surpassing the 2008 projection for 2020.
12- Xi'an: 0km by 2008, 251km by 2020. Currently at 52 km, however it will be at half by 2020 at 126 km.
13- Tianjin: 26km by 2008, 130km by 2010, 227km by 2020. Far larger plan coming. And what a far larger plan they have now . Anyway, it was at 71 km in 2008 as the figure missed then line B1 (now line 9), and remained the same through 2010. Now at 137 km and expected to be 300+ km long by 2020.
14- Zhengzhou: 0km by 2008, 220km by 2020. Currently at 26 km, will be around 220 km by 2020, the only one that stayed level.
15- Changchun: 0km by 2008, 52km by 2010, 179km by 2020. The 32 km long line 3 was already present by 2008, and was also the only line by 2010. Currently at 51 km, but all light rail. For heavy metro the figure is still at zero. Counting both light and heavy rail, it will not have reached three figures by 2020 (90 km).
16- Changsha: 0km by 2008, 172km planned. Currently 50 km (not counting the maglev, which is also not included in Shanghai's figure). Will be at 143 km by 2020.
17- Wuxi: 0km by 2008, 160km by 2015. 160 km? Only 56 km, and they have started constructing more only this year...
18- Harbin: 0km by 2008, 143km by 2025. Currently 17 km, won't be that long by 2025 as it will have only 91 km.
19- Suzhou: 0km by 2008, 25km by 2012, 135km by 2020. As said, it got 26 km in 2012. Now 52 km, and with what is now U/C already amounts to more than 135 km. In fact it will be 206 km long by 2020.
20- Qingdao: 0km by 2008, 128km planned. Currently 12 km, it will have 261 km by 2020 (of which 140 km will be from two suburban lines with 70 km each)
21- Ningbo: 0km by 2008, 72km by 2015. It missed the projection as it ended 2015 with 49 km. It is now, however, at 76 km, and will be 174 km long by 2020.
22- Lanzhou: 0km by 2008, 59km by 2015. What the heck? Still at zero now. Expected opening in 2017. It will be 35 km long by 2020.

At the time of that post (2008) several cities were still drawing its plans and thus are missing. Several have metros already in operation: Kunming (since 2012!), Nanchang, Fuzhou, Dongguan, Nanning; others are under construction and far more are planning, the list appears never to end.

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Some corrections to Bj.: by the end of 2015 the length of subways was 527 km - the airport express is not a subway line - also not counted in the official chinese yearbook on all subway projects. This is a special sepatate service.
and as of the current new development plan up to 2021 the system will reach close 1.000 km by 2021 - not taking up until 2050!
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I copied a post from 2008. And it said 1000 km+ within (I guess z0rg meant before) 2050, and indeed it will happen well before 2050.

PD: All length figures for Beijing metro subway I've seen include the Airport Express, and AFAIK it's operated by the same company that operates most other lines, so it should be included, and thus 554 km. Another thing is the Shanghai Maglev.
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Some corrections to Bj.: by the end of 2015 the length of subways was 527 km - the airport express is not a subway line - also not counted in the official chinese yearbook on all subway projects. This is a special sepatate service.
and as of the current new development plan up to 2021 the system will reach close 1.000 km by 2021 - not taking up until 2050!
Can you provide a link to the official Chinese yearbook please?
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Can you provide a link to the official Chinese yearbook please?
the 2014 yearbook link is:
http://www.chinabookshop.net/annual-...4-p-22336.html

title is " 2014 annual report of china Urban Mass Transit"

it is always published in July / August for the previous year - but all in chinese!
there is a overview in the first pages on all systems - open, u.c. and long range plannings. then follows a description on each chity and some maps also.
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Songjiang to have trams by year end

By Ma Yue | July 21, 2016, Thursday

THE T2 tram line in Songjiang District will become operational by the end of the year, the district’s governor Qin Jian said yesterday[...]
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Apparently there is over 4400km of urban rail (Subway, Commuter, LRT and Tram) under construction right now in China. China is shooting for over 50 cities with urban rail transit by 2020. At that point Tier 4 cities will be permitted to construct urban rail transit systems.

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monorail tram ( not Translohr )


Source:http://www.hrtv.cn/shandong/fous/32484.html ( article w/ a 10 min video )



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Ahahaha oh my god they copied translohr but the guiding system from Bombardier GLT which is superbly bad, Chinese really do not know how to busy themselfs

And again a question, who needs that stupid useless thing?
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Ahahaha oh my god they copied translohr but the guiding system from Bombardier GLT which is superbly bad, Chinese really do not know how to busy themselfs

And again a question, who needs that stupid useless thing?

It's not a translohr (rubber tires just outside the track) or an GLT (not manually steerable).

CRRC is not in the bus business. (they are in the supercapacitor bus business now) BRT buses can climb steep grades and have tighter turning radius compare to traditional trams ( non-cabled).

Note the grade starting at 2:07 .

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It's not a translohr (rubber tires just outside the track) or an GLT (not manually steerable).

CRRC is not in the bus business. (they are in the supercapacitor bus business now) BRT buses can climb steep grades and have tighter turning radius compare to traditional trams ( non-cabled).

Note the grade starting at 2:07 .

Excuse me what are you talking about?

The thing on the picture has a central guiding rail but the guiding roller is taken from GLT system while the all other components from translohr.

Because Chinese cpudl not use everything from Translohr while it is patented.

Buses can climb steeper grades but the thing on the picture is not a bus it is rubber tyred tram as they love to call it. Maximum gradient for a tram is 13,5% which is completely enough for an kind of city which uses trams cause no one normally needs mass transit on streets steeper then that.

AND NO BUSES DO NOT HAVE TIGHTER CURVES.

Trams have curves up to 10,8 meter radius (Toronto).

So no bus can do that, only translohr and GLT can do the same.

The video you provided I do not understand why I see there normal gradient of a viaduc nothing else.
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Excuse me what are you talking about?

The thing on the picture has a central guiding rail but the guiding roller is taken from GLT system while the all other components from translohr.

Because Chinese cpudl not use everything from Translohr while it is patented.

Buses can climb steeper grades but the thing on the picture is not a bus it is rubber tyred tram as they love to call it. Maximum gradient for a tram is 13,5% which is completely enough for an kind of city which uses trams cause no one normally needs mass transit on streets steeper then that.

AND NO BUSES DO NOT HAVE TIGHTER CURVES.

Trams have curves up to 10,8 meter radius (Toronto).

So no bus can do that, only translohr and GLT can do the same.

The video you provided I do not understand why I see there normal gradient of a viaduc nothing else.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monorail_history



Rubber tires can help the vehicle turn and climb faster as well (CRRC main selling points). And the various types of buses are much more flexible.







You choose what you want to see.
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Excuse me what are you talking about?

AND NO BUSES DO NOT HAVE TIGHTER CURVES.

Trams have curves up to 10,8 meter radius (Toronto).

So no bus can do that, only translohr and GLT can do the same.
Toronto's legacy streetcar system is horrible just because you can make a streetcar run at such tight curves doesn't mean you should.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monorail_history



Rubber tires can help the vehicle turn and climb faster as well (CRRC main selling points). And the various types of buses are much more flexible.







You choose what you want to see.
And you pointed out all this for what?
Rubber tires have nothing to do with climbing or turning speed.


CRRC is copying everything from Europe, all the trams they have and produce are licensed copies of European manufacturers.

Now they started to copy Translohr-GLT mixed thing. Which itself is completely useless mode of transportation, needs more power, damages the asphalt and concrete because of running all the time on the same spot. While derailing causes chaos, cause when trams derail they get stuck in asphalt or ground, this thing having no steer wheel and having rubber tires once derailing runs until hits something, a building or cars.

Rubber tired trams as French call them have absolutely no future.
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Toronto's legacy streetcar system is horrible just because you can make a streetcar run at such tight curves doesn't mean you should.
Yes I agree having such tight curves on any kind of transportation mode is really a bad idea but it is a legacy of streetcars in North America.
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