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Old March 30th, 2017, 01:26 PM   #741
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As for cities below one million inhabitants, it appears both Xiangtan and Zhangjiakou are planning metros, but I'm not sure. Then there's Ordos, what is U/C there is actually a commuter rail.
Are there any other cities in which commuter rail rather than metro is under construction?

What counts as "construction" of commuter rail?
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Old March 31st, 2017, 02:10 AM   #742
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Are there any other cities in which commuter rail rather than metro is under construction?
The Wenzhou Metro is technically commuter rail. Some of the smaller cities even if the system is called "metro" are actually commuter rail.

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What counts as "construction" of commuter rail?
Infrastructure being built?
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Old March 31st, 2017, 08:20 AM   #743
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The Wenzhou Metro is technically commuter rail. Some of the smaller cities even if the system is called "metro" are actually commuter rail.

Infrastructure being built?
A major suburb in my town, some time ago... When the railway was built, the next station was 27 km away. (Technical reasons. Trains need, for example, to take water.)

One fine day, I think Saturday, a readerīs letter in a newspaper suggested that the trains should stop at a nice forest, 7 km from town, to allow outings.
The railway replied a couple of days later to announce agreement. And the trains started stopping there 38 days after the readerīs letter.

If a suburban railway and stations already exist... like a station platform that has say 2 number trains stopping per day, or that has not had a train stop there for years... then a change from 2 trains stopping per day to say 20 trains stopping per day can create a commuter railway. Yet possibly without building anything at all!
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Old March 31st, 2017, 11:17 PM   #744
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A major suburb in my town, some time ago... When the railway was built, the next station was 27 km away. (Technical reasons. Trains need, for example, to take water.)

One fine day, I think Saturday, a readerīs letter in a newspaper suggested that the trains should stop at a nice forest, 7 km from town, to allow outings.
The railway replied a couple of days later to announce agreement. And the trains started stopping there 38 days after the readerīs letter.

If a suburban railway and stations already exist... like a station platform that has say 2 number trains stopping per day, or that has not had a train stop there for years... then a change from 2 trains stopping per day to say 20 trains stopping per day can create a commuter railway. Yet possibly without building anything at all!
Such things don't exist in China, mainline railways are congested and will need additional tracks. Stations are low platform and undersized which need to be completely rebuilt. For example, the the central section of the Wenzhou Metro follows the currently unelectrified single track urban section of the Jinhua Wenzhou Railway. In essence it is basically a triple tracking and grade separation project. They could just not build anything and run low floor DMUs on the existing line at a low cost but that is also low performance. China is not looking for low cost. They have the opportunity to build something great so they go and do it instead of beating around the bush with incremental upgrades. I doubt there is any existing mainline that will attract significant ridership without significant upgrade and cost. When you start upgrading the railway lines for some type of commuter service you realize that you might be better off building a rapid transit line for a little bit more money but a whole lot more benefit instead.
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Old April 1st, 2017, 10:42 AM   #745
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Such things don't exist in China, mainline railways are congested and will need additional tracks. Stations are low platform and undersized which need to be completely rebuilt. For example, the the central section of the Wenzhou Metro follows the currently unelectrified single track urban section of the Jinhua Wenzhou Railway. In essence it is basically a triple tracking and grade separation project. They could just not build anything and run low floor DMUs on the existing line at a low cost but that is also low performance. China is not looking for low cost. They have the opportunity to build something great so they go and do it instead of beating around the bush with incremental upgrades. I doubt there is any existing mainline that will attract significant ridership without significant upgrade and cost.
An example of what I know in Europe:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%282013%29.JPG
Single track electrified line.
In that stop something like 40 or 41 trains daily - each direction.
https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A...dteepeatus.jpg
Single track unelectrified line
11 trains in one direction, 12 in other.
Is either of them "commuter railway"?

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Old April 3rd, 2017, 12:04 AM   #746
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That is more of a stopping train or a low density rural regional train service if anything. China is not looking developing these at the moment when there are much more pressing needs in it's railway development.
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 12:23 AM   #747
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On Wenzhou-Jinhua railway, I see the next station quoted as Qingtian - 57 km away.
How long is the metro line?
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Old April 20th, 2017, 09:16 PM   #748
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~30% cheaper than "light rail" to build (including trains) and very likely lower maintenance costs.
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Old May 6th, 2017, 09:25 PM   #749
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China seems to be in the news every couple of days with new metro extensions. How much has this contributed to the world's metro network length?

I found that the 27 Chinese cities sum up to a total of 3485 km metro length (up from just 90 km before the year 2000). That's more than one quarter of all metro km existing on the planet. Pretty impressive! metrobits.org statistics page
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Old May 10th, 2017, 08:58 AM   #750
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Dunkou tram is scheduled to open in July:
http://news.fdc.com.cn/cjgh/951340.shtml

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Dunkou tram is scheduled to open in July:
http://news.fdc.com.cn/cjgh/951340.shtml
Where is Dunkou? I know many cities in China, but can't pinpoint this one, it doesn't appear in Google Maps. Or it is a district of any city?
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Where is Dunkou? I know many cities in China, but can't pinpoint this one, it doesn't appear in Google Maps. Or it is a district of any city?
SW Wuhan.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch...!4d114.1820089
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Explosive growth of Chinese metro systems. There is now more than 3,800 km of subway operating in China as of 2017. The total length will amost double in the next 5 years.



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A train that runs on virtual tracks debuted in Zhuzhou. Or to be presise, it's actually a bus with censors (at least to me):
http://news.wenweipo.com/2017/06/02/IN1706020023.htm
http://finance.sina.com.cn/china/gnc...m7687734.shtml
http://news.jxnews.com.cn/system/201...16177236.shtml









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And though Chinese were not pioneers of this technology:

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There is a similar thing in Castellon de la Plana, Spain. They call it a guided bus.
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A train that runs on virtual tracks debuted in Zhuzhou. Or to be presise, it's actually a bus with censors (at least to me):
And all it does is to guide the turning axles so that the turning radius is equivalent to a typical 12m bus.

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Old June 3rd, 2017, 08:41 AM   #760
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Where is Dunkou? I know many cities in China, but can't pinpoint this one, it doesn't appear in Google Maps. Or it is a district of any city?
I'd say Dunkou tram is the same as the Greater Hanyang tram.
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