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Old October 11th, 2017, 12:03 AM   #801
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[disambiguation needed] Per the map it's the Taizhou in Zhejiang (台州), there's another Taizhou in Jiangsu (泰州).

I've been away from Ditiezu lately, but I'm now returning to decode what is said there.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 12:52 PM   #802
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Couldn't agree more, look how this beautiful overpass wonderfully complements the 100 year old bridge...
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this is here wrong - it is not in China - as in Tokyo Central !
the Nihon-Bashi (Japan Bridge)
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Old October 12th, 2017, 11:51 AM   #803
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I'm well aware - I can read hanzi/kanji. It's only an example
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Old November 1st, 2017, 06:49 AM   #804
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Old November 18th, 2017, 11:34 PM   #805
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Beijing hits brakes on subway boom over debt concerns
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China has hit the brakes on subway projects in at least three cities and Beijing is asking others to slow down their plans, local governments and media have reported, indicating concerns over high debt from city-level infrastructure spending...

...Financial magazine Caixin, citing unnamed sources close to the matter, reported that authorities in Inner Mongolia’s Hohhot and Baotou cities have scrapped approved projects worth billions of dollars in recent months due to concerns over finances.

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Caixin article the Reuters most likely is referring:
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2017-11...101169959.html

So far I have heard proposed metro projects in Wuhan, Hohhot, Xianyang and Yantai have been affected.
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Old November 19th, 2017, 12:50 AM   #806
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My thoughts:

The good:
The greater scrutiny will have a positive impact to public transport development in China. It helps focus metro construction resources and funding to larger cities which actually have major traffic issues, instead of speculative builds in smaller Tier III and IV cities that will "one day" be big enough. Rumor is that Baotou was approved for subways using 6B specifications but was trying to secretly change the specification into 6A trains with platforms allowing expansion into 8A which caused regulators to look closer into the project. Which ridiculous for a "small" Chinese city, if only Guangzhou/Foshan was this enthusiastic about building lines using 8A trains.

In addition it forces smaller cities to be more "lean" and "cost effective" with urban transport expansion. The last major "subway construction moratorium" in the late 90s forced many cities to adopt different technologies that try to build lines that are "metro-like" without actually being a "metro" in the strict Chinese sense. eg.
Chongqing = heavy monorail
Wuhan = "Light rail" (actually an elevated light metro)
Dalian = surface running rapid rail.
This allows those cities to reduce construction costs while still providing good transit service. The insane subway construction costs plaguing projects today that regulators trying to clamp down on are partly caused by the local government's insistence to build lines underground as much as possible. This makes them to spend ludicrous amounts of money just to tunnel under farmland, wide expressways and/or sparsely populated areas to "preserve urban views". This could mean that cities like Yangzhou, Nantong, Anshan, Zhongshan etc will be looking to develop light metros, Japanese style commuter rail and monorails instead of "completely-underground-6B-subways".

Neutral:
Nothing will happen, the boom will continue with all the great things it brings even with all its systemic and financing issues. Similar western articles proclaiming the "death of subway expansion" in China were published early 2010, again citing Caixin. (the cited Caixin article at the time outrageously claims that the entire city of Shenyang "only needs" one light rail line.) Yet looking back from 2017 those articles really didn't know what they were talking about.

The bad:
Transport networks get more congested and smog worse because everyone thinks public transport is a loss making cause and should not be expanded.
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Old November 19th, 2017, 01:07 AM   #807
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This is madness. They are constructing countless ultraexpensive highways in remote areas and they want to curb subway expansions, which should be the absolute first priority of national infrastructure development.
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Old November 19th, 2017, 01:14 AM   #808
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My two cents: It's just some Western sinophobic article.
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Old November 19th, 2017, 01:34 AM   #809
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This is madness. They are constructing countless ultraexpensive highways in remote areas and they want to curb subway expansions, which should be the absolute first priority of national infrastructure development.
Not entirely true, a number of intercity expressways also were axed.

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My two cents: It's just some Western sinophobic article.
I disagree I think writer just doesn't really know what is going on in China and is just writing another article. He/she cited Caixin, which is a respected Chinese business news outlet albeit one with a right wing economics bias.
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Old November 19th, 2017, 10:48 AM   #810
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From the reuters article: "Europe (EU?) has 46 cities with metro systems, and America (US?) has 33 cities..."

Are these numbers accurate?
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Old November 19th, 2017, 03:05 PM   #811
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From the reuters article: "Europe (EU?) has 46 cities with metro systems, and America (US?) has 33 cities..."

Are these numbers accurate?
If you count North, Central and South America, then it's accurate
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Old November 19th, 2017, 03:36 PM   #812
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If you count North, Central and South America, then it's accurate

Can you list all these cities in the Americas and all the European ones?

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Old November 19th, 2017, 05:01 PM   #813
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Old November 19th, 2017, 05:33 PM   #814
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Can you list all these cities in the Americas and all the European ones?

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Already listed :

http://mic-ro.com/metro/table.html
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Old November 20th, 2017, 06:30 AM   #815
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A driverless subway train undergoes a test run in Beijing on Nov 15, 2017. The 16.6-km Yanfang Line is China's first fully domestically developed automated subway. It links the areas of Yanhua and Fangshan in Beijing's southwest suburbs. The line's trains are designed to run at a maximum 80 km per hour and can take 960 passengers at most. [Photo/VCG]
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Anyway it looks like that the numbers mentioned in the article don't correspond to these ones in the table you posted above.
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There is certainly a lot of mistakes and false datas in the world database.
For example, metro annual ridership in my city (Lyon France) is 197 millions and not 257 (and never reached more than 199)

But you have a list with more than 33 metro systems in America, and more than 46 in Europe
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 12:02 AM   #818
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Mr. Rohde's website, which nanar linked, lists together systems with "some" metro features (stadthbahn, premetrò, monorails, etc.), hence the large numbers in the table. Conversely, the source for the Reuters article is likely to be UITP (Union Internationale des Transports Publics), specifically their 2015 World metro figures¹, which refers to those systems UITP itself accounts as full-fledged metro; and the little discrepancy (33 instead of 34 - for America) is probably a clerical error.
Also the List of metro systems in Wikipedia shows similar numbers, 44 cities in Europe² and 31 in America: similar, but not the same, due to some borderline systems that one may or may not count as "true" metro.


¹ as also the words choice suggests: in both the Reuters article and the UITP "statistics brief" they write about the number of cities with metro systems and not simply of metro systems;
² Turkey included and ex-USSR countries excluded, for consistency with UITP data.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 08:25 PM   #819
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From Metro Report

http://www.metro-report.com/news/new...er-set-up.html

Chinese urban rail vehicle supplier set up
30 Nov 2017

CHINA: China Railway Group subsidiary China Railway Hi-Tech Industry Corp and Changzhou Tiansheng New Materials have announced their intent to establish a joint venture for the production of urban transport vehicles.

China Railway New Rail Transit Vehicle Co is to have its main production facility in Changzhou National Hi-tech District. It would focus on producing urban rail vehicles, including rubber-tyred and steel-wheel metro trains, trams, maglev trains, straddle and suspension monorails, and commuter trains. It could also manufacture articulated buses.
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Old December 31st, 2017, 07:58 AM   #820
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China is in the middle of the biggest urban rail transit boom in world history.

I hope they manage to maintain it in working order or the country will face an "infrastructure cliff" in the middle of this century.
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