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Old February 2nd, 2014, 06:06 AM   #201
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Who cares who builds it? It's a supertall in NYC, like someone brought up earlier, SWFC was built by the Japanese, the new tallest building in LA by the Koreans... it doesn't really matter.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 06:12 AM   #202
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so to summarize the argument from the last two pages:

if we can't compete, let's make it impossible for the other guy to do anything either

what happened to this country
Its a building, no one outside of this forum really cares, or has ever even heard of a supertall and or megatall. They just call it tall.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 06:39 AM   #203
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I think some people are missing the point here. It's not about competing, because we all know American developers are not racing to build the worlds tallest these days or even the nations tallest on our soil. Sears tower until the new WTC took how many years?? The only reason WTC is the nations tallest today is because the developer/ architects wanted to build a tower in response to that horrid events that took place on 9/11. The plan from its inception was to build a tower at a symbolic height of 1776 which represents the day our country won its freedom. This is the only reason WTC has unseated the Sears. If it where not for 9/11, the Sears/Willis would still reign supreme today.

So if we are going to have a tower reach 1,800 + ft especially in New York, the best bet would probably be from a foreign entity that wants to stake a claim in the US, because American developers will only be thinking about the bottom line. Developments here are all about maximizing profits and nothing else.

Sure it would be nice to build such a tower with reckless abandon just to puff out our chest to the rest of the world but it ain't gonna happen because developers learned from the mistakes from the past. How long do you think it would take to have full occupancy in such a tower? It will take many YEARS for them to recoup their money.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 08:44 AM   #204
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I'm just saying the American public might. Or rather, the American press might make it seem like they do. Remember the ground zero mosque nonsense?
How is having the owner's of a supertall in NYC being Chinese the same as having a loudpeaker blaring mosque near ground Zero?

I doubt anyone will even notice who the owners are, or care. Also I'm pretty sure most Americans have no idea who owns the ESB, or any other skyscrapers in NYC.

Not to add, why wouldn't the American public not like this? It's more cash that flows into NYC, and not other countries, so its more beneficial to Americans anyway.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 05:49 PM   #205
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China's investments in the US are growing. Should we be concerned?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...rowing-us-good
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 05:52 PM   #206
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The US should be even more concerned when there is no Chinese investment at all...
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Old February 4th, 2014, 12:49 AM   #207
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^exactly ,but whos to say the Chinese developer will name it with an eastern name?
Perhaps they could go the way the Chinese seem to do with their rollercoasters? Give it an extremely generic English Name ("Tall building") and a Chinese name that when translated only makes sense in context of some obscure folklore ("Tower of heavenly plastic rabbit flying over the avocado plantation").

For examples of coasters, see http://rcdb.com/r.htm?order=-23&ot=2...l=26380&page=2
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Old February 4th, 2014, 12:50 AM   #208
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Really, won't the developers most likely sell the naming rights to their anchor tenant, Chinese or American?
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Old February 4th, 2014, 01:29 AM   #209
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Old February 4th, 2014, 01:36 AM   #210
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The transformation of this area from a dump to a showcase is extraordinary.
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Old February 4th, 2014, 04:18 AM   #211
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China's investments in the US are growing. Should we be concerned?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...rowing-us-good
I don't think so and I tell you why. Chinese accumulated close to 3 trillion $ in their hands. In reality they can't spend it on anything unless all of a sudden they will just decide to buy thousands of US airplanes or US made machinery. We all know they will not going to do this. So American debt in China is sort of a dead weight since they can't get gold in return for the paper and they can't / won't buy anything American made. So the way out is to invest in America in some factories or real estate.

So I see it as a payment can be bitch sometimes, since Chinese are in dire straights with all this huge amount of paper. They can't spend it, can't get gold it, they can't even sell so much dollars because it will raise any other currency to unimaginable heights and thus make it extremely expensive, while US dollar will only loose about 15-20% of its value, which is not that tragic, given the fact that our production will get a huge boost from cheap currency.

So it is the same crap that happen to Japanese in the end of 80s. They had plenty of dollars and didn't know what to do with it unless they invest it back into USA. All chickens come home to roost.
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Old February 4th, 2014, 04:11 PM   #212
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The transformation of this area from a dump to a showcase is extraordinary.
New York needs these dumps as well. Part of the city. A blink of history.
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New York needs these dumps as well. Part of the city. A blink of history.
there are plenty of them left in Bronx, Queens and etc
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Old February 4th, 2014, 08:04 PM   #214
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The US should be even more concerned when there is no Chinese investment at all...
Exactly.

Bring on the yuans!
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Old February 4th, 2014, 08:10 PM   #215
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CIC North American Spire is a fine international tower name.

All I care about is design. If its a big glass box. **** it. Don't build it.
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Old February 4th, 2014, 10:18 PM   #216
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Can we please keep the McDonald's? It's the only drive thru in Manhattan.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 04:15 AM   #217
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This amazing view is about to change dramatically!

As if this incomparable forest were not enough, it will add:

1. Nordstrom 1400'+
2. 432 Park 1,398'
3. Steinway 1,350'
4. 1 Vanderbilt 1,250'
5. Time Warner 1,225'
6. Verre 1,050'
7. Equinox 1,000'
8. 220 CPS 950'
9. 30 Park Place 935'
10. Culture Tower 915'
11. Girasole 1,035'

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11. Park Lane
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Old February 5th, 2014, 04:23 AM   #218
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Can we please keep the McDonald's? It's the only drive thru in Manhattan.
The Five Guys on West 34th is so much better though :-)
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Old February 5th, 2014, 08:56 PM   #219
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Haven't I seen this post before?
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Old February 5th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #220
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The Hudson Spire
https://my.rcm1.com/handler/teaser.a...qVLkrU41GzeLQZ

In link there is a image of the imagined base of the Hudson Spire. Sorry I could not grab the pic to post.
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