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Old April 1st, 2014, 03:14 PM   #381
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1500' to the roof, then throw in a spire and make it 500m even and I will be satisfied. The World Trade Center towers are all 100% commercial use and the Spire will be office/residential mix so it can be thinner and tapering.

If they wish to build max, just look at the current concept rendering for 1,800' at 1.2msf and just add more heft to it.


1,800' with 1.2 msf
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Old April 1st, 2014, 05:26 PM   #382
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Guys please keep in mind that this development as of now is only a proposition with only very very uncertain possible looks of the tower. so design wise - I am sure we will see lots of changes. Besides, keep in mind that in this city there is always some concerned board of pissed_off_ about_everything_people and nothing this high gets an easy transition from drawing board to reality.

so as of today
1. lets hope the financing for the tower is there and developer is serious enough of building this to get over possible problems with NIMBYs.

2. once the first stage is done, I am sure the design will be a good one since in this particular place the stakes are so high and place itself is so open from the river that no one will built such a dominant tower without a truly unique look. so rest assured we will have plenty of time to get amazed by the designs. plus you can't built some mediocre nothing or cheap this high in such a new fashionable development.

so it will be high. it will be spectacular. it will be iconic.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 08:53 PM   #383
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Since there really isn't a neighborhood there to get NIMBY about, this whole West Side being Manhattan's Final Frontier, don't think we have to worry about community opposition much. Certainly with as much land available at the Sherwood and the "Hudson Spire" sites if I'm not mistaken even if there were one tower built on each site they could go 1,400 ft each potentially... with as you say if combined we can see a version of the Hudson Spire that soars to the advertised possibility of 1,800 ft. In either case because of the location and value of the properties there certainly will be money made available to build there.

Ultimately I think in this situation there is an almost absolute certainty come the next five years something truly iconic and a statement for New York City will be going up there.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 06:15 AM   #384
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McGraw Hill would make a great anchor tenant!

http://www.northjersey.com/news/busi...attan-1.839096
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 03:50 AM   #385
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Nice, Hudson Spire is slowly becoming the new 1WTC. I hope Hudson Spire delivers. Would love to see structural expressionism in the final design.
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 03:54 AM   #386
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McGraw Hill would make a great anchor tenant!

http://www.northjersey.com/news/busi...attan-1.839096
No, they must come to 3 WTC!
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 04:01 AM   #387
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No, they must come to 3 WTC!
Oh, who cares about 3 WTC? I would much rather have Hudson Spire than 3 WTC. 3WTC is a consolation prize compared to what this could very well be.
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 04:07 AM   #388
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It is an essential building to "complete" the whole WTC complex. Having it completed will allow for three contiguous blocks of retail, a beautiful building, and plenty of available office space.

It would be awesome if this could get built, however 3 WTC already has a good start and just needs one more tenant (possibly PA financing) to continue. That's why I'm supporting 3 WTC more than this, plus it's the WTC; a very significant place.

Ok, I'm done with my rant.
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 11:39 AM   #389
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Tishman Speyer front runner and may buy adjacent site owned by Sherwood Equity:
http://nypost.com/2014/03/31/white-c...-1221-6th-ave/

Tishman Speyer is the front-runner for a $200 million-plus purchase of a Hudson Yards-area development site, sources said.

The parcel is owned by the Rosenthal family and runs from West 34th to 35th streets, between 10th Avenue and the planned new Hudson Boulevard in the middle of the block.

The sale offering via Massey Knakal was first reported by Crain’s, which also said an adjacent site owned by Sherwood Equities might be sold as well if the Rosenthals found a buyer.

Now, we're told, the company run by Jerry Speyer and Rob Speyer has both sites in its sights.

The Rosenthal piece alone can support a 1.2 million square-foot project as of right.

The area’s extraordinary run-up in values is driven by the thundering success of Related Cos.’ 26-acre project Hudson Yards rail yards project two blocks south.
I'd hope so- it's be strange for this to not be a whole block.
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It is an essential building to "complete" the whole WTC complex. Having it completed will allow for three contiguous blocks of retail, a beautiful building, and plenty of available office space.

It would be awesome if this could get built, however 3 WTC already has a good start and just needs one more tenant (possibly PA financing) to continue. That's why I'm supporting 3 WTC more than this, plus it's the WTC; a very significant place.

Ok, I'm done with my rant.
The WTC is an embarrassment. And at 1170ft. , 3WTC is a shrimp compared to this. Regardless, I would be glad to see it built, but if it was a choice between this at maximum height, or 3WTC, this would definitely get my vote. 3WTC would add greatly to the WTC, but Hudson Spire could add greatly to the whole city. I don't think 3WTC will have that kind if impact.
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Old April 4th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #391
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WTC is an embarrassment?? GTFO of here!

The World Trade Center is REAL. This is FANTASY.

I'd rather see 3 and 2 built any day before this.
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Old April 4th, 2014, 07:22 PM   #392
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Height is not everything...
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Old April 4th, 2014, 08:18 PM   #393
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3wtc is a shrimp. It has about as much square footage as this site consolidated. And with its practical proportions it is a better representation of what will likely be built here than the ridiculously proportioned render we have.
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WTC is an embarrassment?? GTFO of here!

The World Trade Center is REAL. This is FANTASY.

I'd rather see 3 and 2 built any day before this.
The design depicted is fantasy but someone is going to build a very large tower on this site, likely much taller than 3WTC.

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A shrimp in what way? It's one of my favorite buildings in the city
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And at 1170ft. , 3WTC is a shrimp compared to this.
3WTC exists. It has a name and an owner and some tenants lined up to lease office space.

'This' doesn't.

3WTC has a design and an official height and about 10% of the building already built.

'This' doesn't.

'This' doesn't have anything. 'This' is a bunch of numbers on a rich man's ledger. It's pork futures at best, and at worst just the shadow of a unicorn's dream.

Don't get uppity over an imagined rivalry with 3WTC. It's way too early for that. 3WTC will be topped out and ready to go by the time 'this' even has a design in place. We're years and years away from some Hudson Spire being even close to a reality. Hold on to hope, but don't jump to hate.
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3WTC exists. It has a name and an owner and some tenants lined up to lease office space.

'This' doesn't.

3WTC has a design and an official height and about 10% of the building already built.

'This' doesn't.

'This' doesn't have anything. 'This' is a bunch of numbers on a rich man's ledger. It's pork futures at best, and at worst just the shadow of a unicorn's dream.

Don't get uppity over an imagined rivalry with 3WTC. It's way too early for that. 3WTC will be topped out and ready to go by the time 'this' even has a design in place. We're years and years away from some Hudson Spire being even close to a reality. Hold on to hope, but don't jump to hate.

For the last time the design is just a PLACEHOLDER. The site will likely host a large tower, probably not 1800' but still, although I wouldn't expect it anytime soon.
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A shrimp in what way? It's one of my favorite buildings in the city
Blue flame called it that. I thought it was absurd.
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The value and status of the location will make Hudson Spire real, much sooner than many here think. Either as two 1,300-1,400 ft towers on the Sherwood and Maksal sites individually or 1,800 ft in one huge tower, it's a no brainer this being the fastest developing area, with no NIMBY or other pressures to bog down building relatively fast. The design currently seen is a placeholder, not the definitive tower but a representation of how it stands out in the skyline. I fully support this being built out soon.

That doesn't take away from WTC 3 at all.... hopefully everything gets on track this spring for a full build out. I want this tower done so Silverman finally can get to WTC2, the crowning piece of the WTC complex. There's more than enough room for two great towers, no need for silly competitions on which is better. They BOTH will add greatly to the Manhattan skyline and can't wait for both to be built!
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Old April 4th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #399
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Blue flame called it that. I thought it was absurd.
Don't worry, dude. I got what you were saying.
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So true. A fully built and functioning WTC is worth much more than this pipe dream.
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