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Old May 2nd, 2014, 05:34 AM   #521
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Any guesses/ preference as to which architect TS selects for this monumental spire?? My guess would be SOM, but my preference would be Foster. ,
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Old May 2nd, 2014, 05:52 AM   #522
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Old May 2nd, 2014, 06:00 AM   #523
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Any guesses/ preference as to which architect TS selects for this monumental spire?? My guess would be SOM, but my preference would be Foster. ,
I hope they go for an architect who hasn't done much work in the city, BIG, Zaha Hadid and OMA come to mind, besides those guys tend to push the envelope and I think that's something the (maybe) tallest tower in NYC needs cause so far 1WTC and the Nordstrom are kinda meh.
But why do I have a feeling they'll go for a more conventional architect?
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Old May 2nd, 2014, 08:38 PM   #524
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Lol, coming from the guy citing an inherently flawed study... maybe you should read into stuff before you throw it around.
One comment on the article:
Regardless of the pluses or minuses of the study above...I stand by my statement that the majority of the wealthiest people at this time in our history generated their own wealth as opposed to inheriting it.
Simple example: 273 out the Forbes 400 are classified as 'self-made'
One can argue the fine points of analyzing methodologies forever but the
basic fact will remain true.
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Old May 4th, 2014, 01:55 AM   #525
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Here's my updated Boulevard Development map.



Next up fellas! Let’s get news on the architect and some renderings!!!
Is there a thread open for the Blackhouse Development site? Archilier Architecture released some concept renderings. It's promising. 720 ft/220m
http://www.archilier.com/portfolio/n...se-development



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The West Side/Hudson Yards has a bright, tall future. There should be a compilation thread opened for all of the supertall and skyscrapers which will be popping up in the next two decades.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 08:31 PM   #526
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Tishman Speyer to Develop New York’s Hudson Spire



Tishman Speyer has announced that it has purchased a full block of undeveloped land parcels in Hudson Yards, the fast-expanding west side neighborhood and business district of Midtown Manhattan. The acquisition of the land grants the company the ability to purchase additional development rights, as well as the right to build what could be one of the world’s tallest buildings, the Hudson Spire.

The goal is to establish the Hudson Yards development as the next great commercial district and neighborhood. The location and configuration of the latest land purchase are ideally suited to a mix of programs, particularly office and street-level retail. The development would add to the already dynamic plan for office space, new housing, retail space, and new hotels in the Hudson Yards district. It will be additionally enhanced by the extension of the subway line, the addition of the new Hudson Park and Boulevard and completion of the final phase of the High Line elevated park.

The proposal for the mixed-use Hudson Spire puts the estimated building height at 549 meters, with a total building area of 2.8 million square feet (265,000 square meters), which would grant it the title of the tallest building in North America. Although financial details were not disclosed by Tishman Speyer, an independent report states that Tishman Speyer acquired portions of the undeveloped parcels for around US$200 million.

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The building has a hope to achieve?
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Old May 7th, 2014, 01:50 PM   #528
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This pic shows just a placeholder, but something large will rise here. 2.8 million square feet is a lot.
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Well now that the whole lot is owned by one single developer(Tishman-Speyer) something soaring will go here, certainly in the area of 1,500 ft or taller. Tishman- Speyer nearly received the rights to HY but the original agreement broke down allowing Related to take it over. Very likely Tishman sees the enormous trophy value for something huge on the site and would make it the signature tower of the HY/ West Side area being just next door land plot wise to Related's Mc Donald's site on which will rise 50 Hudson Yards, the biggest of Related's two office towers outside the main HY first phase area.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 12:21 AM   #530
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Why did the Tishman deal for the Hudson Yards go bad?
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Old May 8th, 2014, 12:27 AM   #531
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Why did the Tishman deal for the Hudson Yards go bad?
Originally, Morgan Stanley was partnering with Tishman on the bid, but backed out of deal. Prolly cuz recession and investment banks where under scrutiny then.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 01:35 AM   #532
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Well now that the whole lot is owned by one single developer(Tishman-Speyer) something soaring will go here, certainly in the area of 1,500 ft or taller. Tishman- Speyer nearly received the rights to HY but the original agreement broke down allowing Related to take it over. Very likely Tishman sees the enormous trophy value for something huge on the site and would make it the signature tower of the HY/ West Side area being just next door land plot wise to Related's Mc Donald's site on which will rise 50 Hudson Yards, the biggest of Related's two office towers outside the main HY first phase area.
I think a more realistic height range is 1,200-1,400 feet.
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I think a more realistic height range is 1,200-1,400 feet.

Thanks Robert


But in all seriousness, 1WTC is 2.6msf, so this at 2.85 could potentially be as tall or taller (unless it were just ungodly fat which it probably won't be.)

The articles make it sound like they want to go bigger but we'll just have to wait and see.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 01:48 AM   #534
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I think a more realistic height range is 1,200-1,400 feet.
no greedy developer leaves money on the table
and all developers are greedy (and vain)
so we've got a second criteria: bragging rights



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But in all seriousness, 1WTC is 2.6msf, so this at 2.85 could potentially be as tall or taller (unless it were just ungodly fat which it probably won't be.)

The articles make it sound like they want to go bigger but we'll just have to wait and see.
1WTC is 3.5msf from its factsheet at Ctbuh database
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Old May 8th, 2014, 02:01 AM   #536
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Yes, 2.6 doesn't sound right.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 02:02 AM   #537
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1WTC is 3.5msf from its factsheet at Ctbuh database
My fault, it has 2.6 msf of office space which is the figure I have constantly seen although that doesn't really add up either since office is the main bulk of the building. But I trust the Ctbuh.
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I think a more realistic height range is 1,200-1,400 feet.
I don't know, I think something substantial could rise here given the recent purchases. It already would have been a tall tower with what TS acquired in the initial deal, but now they have the whole block.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 05:18 AM   #539
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So what happened with the Chinese developers?
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Old May 8th, 2014, 05:28 AM   #540
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I don't know if they go 1,800 ft as originally promoted or that it will be called Hudson Spire but I think Tishman-Speyer bought the property to stand out. I say they go at least 1,600 ft and wind up with the trophy tower on the West Side.
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