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Old May 18th, 2014, 10:15 PM   #581
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This has the same likelihood of rising as a 90 year old mans downtown entertainment district
Did you read any of this thread?

Tishman Speyer bought the site and they're building a near 3msf building.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 11:37 PM   #582
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He must mean the height, which is almost certainly true.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 03:46 AM   #583
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Yeah I was referring to the height... Obviously It would kick ass if someone had the will to make it happen.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 08:41 AM   #584
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Yeah I was referring to the height... Obviously It would kick ass if someone had the will to make it happen.
sorry my mistake, It definitely could break 400 meters but 500 is probably unlikely, at least without the help of some sort of structural element.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 03:35 AM   #585
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I think part of it's the picture, in person the spire is much more visible from anywhere.

It might not be "hard" but anything in the same height caliber or taller than 1WTC to the roof is still huge. Still only a handful of buildings (mostly in China) go over 400 meters to the top floor.
Hm, I would question that. The spire is pretty thin, and while I can attest that it is most assuredly visible from within the city, I don't know how visible it is from a distance.
And I didn't argue that the WTC wasn't a large building, but I'm hoping for something much better here.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 03:37 AM   #586
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I just noticed that in that picture, 2 WTC is supposed to be "covering" 1 WTC, not to the side.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 09:08 PM   #587
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1,800 feet? Won't happen. Yes, the square footage is impressive but developers in this city always choose the cheap route. We are lucky if we get a 1,300 footer here. Look what happened to the North Tower. The so called signature tower is shorter than the Empire State Building which was built more than 80 years ago! Pathetic. The Hudson Yards is most likely the biggest opportunity of building really tall without having to deal with NIMBYs. And look what is happening: the tallest tower gets shortened and the Spire will be another fat, short, run-of-the-mill office tower.
Yes, developers in NY have no vision or imagination at all, no common sense in the least either - because, height is everything, everyone knows that. How dare they not build taller for us height fans. How dare they not copy Chinese developers, the indignity of it all! After all, what's the difference between NYC and China, it's basically the same thing, right? They definitely should just forgo profits and take on augmented construction costs in order to please the "massive" amount of skyscraper fans who long for height to make the city more lofty, so we can all impress the world because now our city is just too darn short. You just know that these folks and will do everything they can to make life a living hell for the developers if they don't comply and the sky will fall. Of course, that's not counting the negative opinion in the press and especially from those pesky neighborhood groups.. we all know how they LOVE dem megatalls. Last but not least, don't forget Mr.Joe/Jane tourist who will be aghast at the gall of these developers keeping costs in check in order to ensure their business operate profitably, then get right back on their planes to Iowa, Kansas and London at the sight of this rinky-dink unimpressive town. Oh the humanity, NYC is sooo over.

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Old May 20th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #588
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Yes, developers in NY have no vision or imagination at all, no common sense in the least either - because, height is everything, everyone knows that. How dare they not build taller for us height fans. How dare they not copy Chinese developers, the indignity of it all! After all, what's the difference between NYC and China, it's basically the same thing, right? They definitely should just forgo profits and take on augmented construction costs in order to please the "massive" amount of skyscraper fans who long for height to make the city more lofty, so we can all impress the world because now our city is just too short. You just know that these folks and will do everything they can to make life a living hell for the developers if they don't comply and the sky will fall. Of course, that's not counting the negative opinion in the press and especially from those pesky neighborhood groups.. we all know how they LOVE dem megatalls. Last but not least, don't forget Mr.Joe/Jane tourist who will be aghast at the gall of these developers keeping costs in check in order to ensure their business operate profitably, then get right back on their planes to Iowa, Kansas and London at the sight of this rinky-dink unimpressive town. Oh the humanity, NYC is sooo over.
I am sensing some sarcasm
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Old May 20th, 2014, 09:46 PM   #589
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1,800 feet? Won't happen. Yes, the square footage is impressive but developers in this city always choose the cheap route. We are lucky if we get a 1,300 footer here. Look what happened to the North Tower. The so called signature tower is shorter than the Empire State Building which was built more than 80 years ago! Pathetic. The Hudson Yards is most likely the biggest opportunity of building really tall without having to deal with NIMBYs. And look what is happening: the tallest tower gets shortened and the Spire will be another fat, short, run-of-the-mill office tower.


NYC Developers choose the cheap rout unfortunately because labor and materials costs are exorbitant to build in NYC. Anywhere in the world you can build exactly what is intended at the fraction of the cost to build here without any sacrifice of materials or design. We all know this.

This is the reason why we get mostly boxy designs because of our zoning and it’s a vehicle to maximize profits after spending a ton to construct it for the developers. Another issue is with increasing real estate values in NYC, the Hudson Spire cost TS approximately $450 million just for the land acquisition itself. That purchase price alone can build a high quality tower anywhere in the universe.

For this reason, realistically, I will be ecstatic if TS can build 1450-1500 footer to the roof which is good enough to be the tallest in the Yards to hold the title as the center piece of the Hudson Yards!

But I’ll leave the door open for a possible surprise in height for some intriguing factors that could come into play cuz… am really really optimistic by nature.

1) Tish lost the Original HY bid. (Bruised ego’s and hurt feelings…ouch. I have a booboo and I need a band aid)

2) Tish wants to build a show stealer from Related in the Yards. (Ego builder and Revenge is sweet)

3) Tish spent $450 M for the land to not build something iconic. (Gosh! we paid a lot of dough in this prime-prime spot to just build a stumpy tower especially the site has been dubbed the Hudson Spire, therefore there are expectations to satisfy)
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Would love to see this one day
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Old May 21st, 2014, 09:20 PM   #591
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1,800 feet? Won't happen. Yes, the square footage is impressive but developers in this city always choose the cheap route. We are lucky if we get a 1,300 footer here. Look what happened to the North Tower. The so called signature tower is shorter than the Empire State Building which was built more than 80 years ago! Pathetic. The Hudson Yards is most likely the biggest opportunity of building really tall without having to deal with NIMBYs. And look what is happening: the tallest tower gets shortened and the Spire will be another fat, short, run-of-the-mill office tower.
1800 feet would happen if there were a spire or crown possibly, depending on how tall they want to build, it seems like they want a very high building here though judging from the articles.
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Old May 21st, 2014, 10:15 PM   #592
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Let's not forget the site was marketed on the ability to build tall. I would expect this thing to at the least have the highest roof height in the city
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Old May 21st, 2014, 10:58 PM   #593
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I recently spoke with a very high level person who was involved in this deal. He stated that Tishman will build a "truly iconic" tower on this site.
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Old May 21st, 2014, 11:07 PM   #594
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Thanks for the heads up! Lord Wellesley of Casterly Rock?

Any word on the selection of the architect?

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I am Lord Wellesley of the Apsley House, kind sir!

No word re: the architect.
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I recently spoke with a very high level person who was involved in this deal. He stated that Tishman will build a "truly iconic" tower on this site.
Tremendous news!
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Old May 21st, 2014, 11:53 PM   #597
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LAW, every time you post, all I see is Arthur Weasley. Which is not a bad thing.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 01:34 AM   #598
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NYC is getting a lot of supertalls proposed and u/c, hope all of them gets constructed, and it looks like it is not falling out of the race afterall.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 01:45 AM   #599
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NYC is getting a lot of supertalls proposed and u/c, hope all of them gets constructed, and it looks like it is not falling out of the race afterall.
They will be constructed. NYC is the world capital.

There may be 20 towers over 1,000+ feet in the very near future:

Completed, under construction, and topped out are the following:

Empire State Building
Chrysler Building
One World Trade Center
One57
432 Park Avenue

The following towers will surely be constructed at some point:

217 West 57th Street
111 West 57th Street
Tower Verre
30 Hudson Yards
3 Hudson Boulevard (I think they are close to securing a tenant)
35 Hudson Yards
50 Hudson Yards
One Vanderbilt (they apparently have a tenant lined up)
Tishman Speyer's "Hudson Spire" site
Witkoff's Park Lane site
31 West 57th Street
Two World Trade Center
Three World Trade Center
514 11th Avenue
80 South Street

Truly an unprecedented time in the great city's history.
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I really, honestly believe 3 WTC is going to continue after this next vote.
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