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Old June 28th, 2014, 05:30 PM   #661
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I updated the supertall thread. I'll be on vacation next week, but please feel free to point out any mistakes / missing info (not in this thread though! PM or respective thread would suffice.).

List of all 656ft+ / 200m+ skyscrapers in New York City


Completed / Topped out*

1,000 footers:

1. One World Trade Center, 1776ft (541m), [roof 1368ft / 417m] *
2. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), [antenna 1454ft / 443m]
3. Bank of America Tower, 1200ft (366m), [roof 945ft / 288m]
4. Chrysler Building, 1046ft (319m), [roof 925ft / 282m]
5. New York Times Tower, 1046ft (319m), [roof 745ft / 227m]
6. One57, 1005ft (306m) *

900 footers:

7. Four World Trade Center, 977ft (298m) *
8. 70 Pine Street, 952ft (290m) [roof 848ft / 258m]
9. 40 Wall Street, 927ft (283m) [roof 900ft / 274m]
10. Citigroup Center, 915ft (277m)

800 footers:

11. 8 Spruce Street, 876ft (267m)
12. Trump World Tower, 861ft (262m)
13. GE Building, 850ft (259m)
14. Cityspire Center, 814ft (248m)
15. One Chase Manhattan Plaza, 813ft (248m)
16. Conde Nast Building, 809ft (247m) [antenna 1118ft / 341m]
17. Met Life Building, 808ft (246m)
18. Bloomberg Tower, 807ft (246m) [antenna 941ft / 287m]

700 footers:

19. Woolworth Building, 792ft (241m)
20. 1 Worldwide Plaza, 778ft (237m)
21. Carnegie Hall Tower, 757ft (231m)
22. 383 Madison Avenue, 755ft (230m)
23. 1715 Broadway, 753ft (230m)
24. AXA Center, 752ft (229m)
25. One Penn Plaza, 750ft (229m)
26. 1251 Avenue of the Americas, 750ft (229m)
27. Time Warner Center North Tower, 749ft (228m)
28. Time Warner Center South Tower, 749ft (228m)
29. Goldman Sachs Headquarters, 749ft (228m)
30. 60 Wall Street, 745ft (227m)
31. One Astor Plaza, 745ft (227m)
32. 1 Liberty Plaza, 743ft (226m)
33. 20 Exchange Place, 741ft (226m)
34. 7 World Trade Center, 741ft (226m)
35. Three World Financial Center, 739ft (225m)
36. Bertelsmann Building, 733ft (223m)
37. Times Square Tower, 726ft (221m)
38. Metropolitan Tower, 716ft (218m)
39. 500 Fifth Avenue, 709ft (216m),
40. JPMorganChase Tower, 707ft (216m)
41. General Motors Building, 705ft (215m)
42. Metropolitan Life Tower, 700ft (213m)

600 footers:

43. Americas Tower, 692ft (211m)
44. Solow Building, 689ft (210m)
45. HSBC Bank Building, 688ft (210m)
46. 55 Water Street, 687ft (209m)
47. 277 Park Avenue, 687ft (209m)
48. 1585 Broadway, 685ft (209m)
49. Random House Tower, 684ft (208m)
50. Four Seasons Hotel, 682ft (208m)
51. McGraw-Hill Building, 674ft (205m)
52. Lincoln Building, 673ft (205m)
53. One Court Square, 673ft (205m)
54. Barclay Tower, 673ft (205m)
55. Paramount Plaza, 670ft (204m)
56. 440 West 42nd Street, 669ft (204m)
57. Trump Tower, 664ft (202m)
58. Silver Towers South, 656ft (200m)
59. Silver Towers North, 656ft (200m)
...

Under construction

1,000 footers:

1. 432 Park Avenue, 1397ft (426m)

900 footers:

2. 30 Park Place, 937ft (286m)

800 footers:

3. 10 Hudson Yards, 895ft (273m)
4. 56 Leonard Street, 821ft (250m)

700 footers:

5. 50 West Street, 783ft (239m)
6. 250 East 57th Street, 715ft (218m)
7. 610 Lexington Avenue, 712ft (217m)

600 footers:

8. 5 Beekman Street, 663ft (202m)
9. 605 West 42nd Street, 656ft (200m)


On hold

1,000 footers:

1. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411m)
2. Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m)


Site preparation* / Approved / Proposed

1,000 footers:

1. Hudson Spire, 1800ft (549m)
2. One Vanderbilt Place, 1450ft (442m) [roof 1350ft / 412m]
3. 217 West 57th Street, 1424ft (434m) [likely to exceed 1550ft / 472m] *
4. 111 West 57th Street, 1350ft (412m) [likely to exceed 1400ft / 427m] *
5. Shvo Central Park Tower, 1320ft+ (400m+)
6. 30 Hudson Yards, 1227ft (374m) *
7. 15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (371m) [Stale Proposal]
8. One Manhattan West, 1216ft (371m) *
9. 520 West 41st Street, 1100ft (335m)
10. 50 Hudson Yards, 1070ft (326m) *
11. Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m) *
12. The Girasole, 1050ft (320m) *
13. 80 South Street, 1018ft (310m)
14. 35 Hudson Yards, 1000ft (305m) *
15. 386 Flatbush Avenue, 1000ft (305m)
16. Sherwood Tower, 1000ft+ (305m+)
17. 138 East 50th Street, 1000ft+ (305m+)
18. 237 Park Avenue, 1000ft+ (305m+)
19. 341 Madison Avenue, 1000ft+ (305m+)
20. Park Lane Tower, 1000ft+ (305m+)
21. 31 West 57th Street, 1000ft+ (305m+)
22. CetraRuddy UES Tower, 1000ft+ (305m+)

900 footers:

23. 22 Thames Street, 961ft (293m) *
24. 220 Central Park South, 950ft (290m) *
25. 101 Murray Street, 950ft (290m)
26. SNCI NYC Tower, 950ft (290m)
27. One Madison Avenue, 937ft (286m) [Stale Proposal]
28. Two Manhattan West, 935ft (285m) *
29. 15 Hudson Yards, 909ft (277m) *
30. 425 Park Avenue, 905ft (276m)

800 footers:

31. 92 Fulton Street, 886ft (270m)
32. 20 Times Square, 856ft (261m) [Stale Proposal]
33. 227 Cherry Street, 800ft (244m) *
34. 650 Madison Avenue, 800ft+ (244m+)

700 footers:

35. 520 Park Avenue, 781ft (238m) *
36. 55 Hudson Yards, 780ft (238m) *
37. 41 East 22nd Street, 777ft (237m) *
38. 360 10th Avenue, 756ft (231m)
39. 55 Broad Street, 741ft (226m)
40. 470 11th Avenue, 720ft (219m)
41. 45 Broad Street, 712ft (217m)
42. Nobu Hotel and Residences, 709ft (216m)
43. Three Manhattan West, 702ft (214m) *
44. Five World Trade Center, 700ft+ (213m+) [Stale Proposal]

600 footers:

45. 112 Fulton Street, 682ft (208m)
46. Citypoint Tower 1, 680ft (207m)
47. 239 West 52nd Street, 676ft (206m) *
48. 125 Greenwich Street, 656ft+ (200m+)
49. 111 Washington Street, 656ft+ (200m+) *
50. 514 11th Avenue, 656ft+ (200m+)
51. Public New York, 656ft+ (200m+)
...

Right now NYC has about 260 buildings exceeding 500ft / 152m!

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Old June 28th, 2014, 05:57 PM   #662
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Wow...that's a lot. It must be a bit crowded though...
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Old June 28th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #663
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It is very crowded, but you have to accept that as part of the normal lifestyle in New York. I wonder how it is where you live, in London...

What disappoints me just a tad bit is the gap between the buildings U/C and Proposed. But that shows the best is yet to come.
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Yes, NYC is just getting started. We got 5 supertalls and 10 skyscrapers where construction is imminent.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 07:24 PM   #665
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Three World Trade Center is no longer on hold.
Technically it is, till proven otherwise. But I'm sure we'll see some activity soon, so there's no rush.
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New York has 65 skyscrapers over 200m either proposed, under construction or topped out. Right now there are only 56 skyscrapers over 200m. So New York is literally proposing to double the number of skyscrapers it has in the next 10 years. It's insane that New York is planning to add in 10 years what it took 100+ years to add in the first place. Here's to hoping the vast majority materialize.
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It is very crowded, but you have to accept that as part of the normal lifestyle in New York. I wonder how it is where you live, in London...
London is weird. Because while New York has a supertall around every corner, London has history around every corner. You can be nipping down the shops for a cornetto and there'll be a sign on the wall saying 'something important happened on this spot eight thousand years ago', and these signs are everywhere. Like, you have supertall glass skyscrapers over here, and over there, not ten feet away, is a thousand-year-old church. Just sitting there. I don't think there's a city on Earth with as big of a range of buildings.
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London is weird. Because while New York has a supertall around every corner, London has history around every corner. You can be nipping down the shops for a cornetto and there'll be a sign on the wall saying 'something important happened on this spot eight thousand years ago', and these signs are everywhere. Like, you have supertall glass skyscrapers over here, and over there, not ten feet away, is a thousand-year-old church. Just sitting there. I don't think there's a city on Earth with as big of a range of buildings.
Maybe, but 8,000 years ago? Supertall glass skyscrapers? No need to embellish London. It's a beautiful, historic city with a different urban layout. The Hudson Spire will be an amazing icon for New York. Add in the Chicago Spire and they will be the culmination of America's current skyscraper boom.
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London is weird. Because while New York has a supertall around every corner, London has history around every corner. You can be nipping down the shops for a cornetto and there'll be a sign on the wall saying 'something important happened on this spot eight thousand years ago', and these signs are everywhere. Like, you have supertall glass skyscrapers over here, and over there, not ten feet away, is a thousand-year-old church. Just sitting there. I don't think there's a city on Earth with as big of a range of buildings.
London is just as great as (if not even better than) NY, but it does not have 8,000 years of history. It was a tiny trading village 2,000 years ago and remained so until around the late 1600s when it really started to grow. London had 60,000 people in 1,500. Clearly, The London of today looks nothing like the London of 400 years ago, let alone 1,000 or 2,000 years ago.
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London is just as great as (if not even better than) NY, but it does not have 8,000 years of history. It was a tiny trading village 2,000 years ago and remained so until around the late 1600s when it really started to grow. London had 60,000 people in 1,500. Clearly, The London of today looks nothing like the London of 400 years ago, let alone 1,000 or 2,000 years ago.
Indeed, I agree. London could be considered better than nyc.
My father who is not English thinks its the best city on the planet. I showed him a picture of all the towers planned in NY and he said he rather have London.

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it's all preference. Aesthetically they're two very different cities.
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Who's Moving to the Hudson Yards District?

June 30, 2014




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Tishman Speyer New York regional director Chris Shehadeh (right, whom we snapped with our moderator, WeiserMazars real estate partner Ron Lagnado) says his company is still in design on the Hudson Yards District site it bought in February. It plans 2.8M SF along Hudson Boulevard from 34th Street to 35th.
I wonder how long we'll have to wait for a design for this one, but hopefully the wait won't be comparable to 225 W57th, it's final design is the Duke Nukem of supertalls.


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Tishman Speyer truly intends to build something iconic with a $3.2 B price tag!

Tishman Speyer’s Hudson Yards tower to cost $3.2B: filing -
Firm reveals all-in development price for 61-story building in an application with city agency

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The company, which earlier this year snapped up a pair of development sites at 34th Street and 10th Avenue, estimates the total cost of developing its office tower at $3.2 billion, according to an application filed with the New York City Industrial Development Agency.

The IDA is offering Tishman a 25-year exemption of property taxes worth about $170 million. The building, which the developer is looking to construct to LEED Gold standards, will include 57,000 square feet of retail space.

Earlier this year Tishman paid $438 million for the far West Side properties, one of which had been marketed by Massey Knakal as the “Hudson Spire” development site with the potential to build the country’s tallest building, surpassing the 104-story One World Trade Center.

Tishman’s building, however, is planned for only 61 stories. The company intends to begin construction in the third quarter of 2015 and finish four years later.
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$3.2bn is less than the $3.9bn for 1WTC. Considering the latter is effectively 1,368ft, doesn't this mean the tower won't likely be as tall as 1,800ft (or if it's 1,800ft will be rather cheap looking?)
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$3.2bn is less than the $3.9bn for 1WTC. Considering the latter is effectively 1,368ft, doesn't this mean the tower won't likely be as tall as 1,800ft (or if it's 1,800ft will be rather cheap looking?)
Yea its cheaper than wtc because wtc is built to be a freakin fortress. At 61 floors I do not expect this to be at the advertised height of the "Hudson Spire" I do think it can be within the 1,400 give or take range with hopefully an iconic design aiming to become the jewel of the Hudson Yards. I could be happy with it. Although I would prefer a 1,500 footer at the very least!
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Tishman Speyer truly intends to build something iconic with a $3.2 B price tag!

[B]Tishman Speyer’s Hudson Yards tower to cost $3.2B: filing -
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How iconic can something be with just 61 floors? It's probably just fat boring trading floors. Very disappointing
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Damn. I was hoping it would be in the taller range than what 61 floors might be. I'll sacrifice great design for height, however, and from the price tag it seems this will be a jewel of NY.
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Frankly with just 61 floors it's rather unlikely it will even reach 1400ft without some huge spire.
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