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Old July 7th, 2014, 11:51 PM   #701
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Low doesn't mean small. Afaik this tower footprint should be big so there should also be lots of usable space available, hence return of investment
Yeah, that's what I meant by "fat". Hopefully that is not the case.

I'm sorry, but there is no such thing anymore as a "truly iconic" tower that does not exceed 1500-1600ft. I'm of the opinion that height and design are directly related when speaking of "iconic". Iconic towers become that way because they can be seen from nearly every vantage point of the skyline. They have their own presence.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #702
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If 61 is the final floor count then at 400m the average floor heights would be roughly 6.5m, even at 300m, theyd have to average at 4.9m which is still very high!
This would need a mega crown/spire to reach the 400m mark
1 Vanderbilt is 67 floors and 1,350.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #703
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Yeah, looks like that my dream of see a tower more than 500 meters in New York will take a little longer.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 11:54 PM   #704
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Maybe they'll pull a 1WTC and top it off with a 500ft spire
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Old July 7th, 2014, 11:56 PM   #705
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1 Vanderbilt is 67 floors and 1,350.
you've got a point there, but it still has, what we know of, a large crown for the 'observation deck'
Its not impossible for this to have a large crown for such uses, also like with the Steinway Tower, but we'll have to see, I hope yours right, just trying to not get my hopes up
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Old July 7th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #706
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Maybe they'll pull a 1WTC and top it off with a 500ft spire
Actually, it's about 400ft.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 12:00 AM   #707
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Wow, fail Tishman fail...
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It will have at most 400m not at least, and that too if we're lucky.
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Probably like 300m if were lucky
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Old July 8th, 2014, 12:16 AM   #710
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Yeah, that's what I meant by "fat". Hopefully that is not the case.

I'm sorry, but there is no such thing anymore as a "truly iconic" tower that does not exceed 1500-1600ft. I'm of the opinion that height and design are directly related when speaking of "iconic". Iconic towers become that way because they can be seen from nearly every vantage point of the skyline. They have their own presence.
Exactly what I said. Tower Verre f.e. is beautiful but certainly not iconic because it lacks in height. So yes, whoever intends to build a signature tower in New York, will have to go BIG.
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Actually, it's about 400ft.
Yeah, but I think this building will be ~1,300ft so we'd need a 500ft spire to reach the 'desired' height. It will then truly be worthy of the name 'Hudson Spire'
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With New York skyscrapers, I think the default emotion is always optimistic disappointment ("disappointed with the end result, but maybe they'll work on the height/design!" I'm not expecting much from either of the other "mystery towers" (Wanda, Central Park Shvo, UES, Park Lane)
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For the tower to reach 400m+, it has to meet the following requirements:

- a big retail base
- great ceiling height
- tall mechanical floors
- massive crown
- huge spire
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Old July 8th, 2014, 12:24 AM   #714
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I think this tower will have a tall spire. None of the hudson yards towers have one, so its just what this building needs to 'stick out' of the crowd.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 12:28 AM   #715
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Not only do I expect another supertall landmark, but one would assume that Tishman has a tenant. News Corp?
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I agree, that it will be supertall and iconic especially with that price tag. The final height is up for debate and will need more details & the Spire certainly has the space to accommodate NewsCorp!

One Vanderbilt will have 65 floors with 1450' w/ spire and 1350' to the roof, another tower that the spire could be compared to is the:

Zifeng Tower with 1480' w/ spire and 1250' to the roof. That has 66 floors.
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I agree, that it will be supertall and iconic especially with that price tag. The final height is up for debate and will need more details & the Spire certainly has the space to accommodate NewsCorp!

One Vanderbilt will have 65 floors with 1450' w/ spire and 1350' to the roof, another tower that the spire could be compared to is the:

Zifeng Tower with 1480' w/ spire and 1250' to the roof. That has 66 floors.
1,350 feet to the 'roof' which a lot of the upper area is a large crown with barely any floor plates as such
But I agree that all this is speculation by everyone and we need to hear/see more... I'd love to see a fancy crown and a spire, a spire at the Hudson Yards will help add typical New York character to the area and will bring it into context further more wit the rest of the skyline, really look forward to the design!
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Old July 8th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #718
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I dunno. New York's 'character' is a '**** you, we do what we want' character. While there are New York buildings that are certainly icons, I wouldn't say there's a typical New york style of building. Not in the way Paris has one. Or Madrid.

Variety is the best thing about NYC. I hope the Hudson Spire is totally weird and doesn't try to bend over backwards to ape the art deco towers of old. The existing plans for the Hudson Yards are superb. Along with the Brookfield site the whole area will be awash with blue shards of ice, and not a single spire in sight.

I like the fact that there's nothing about the Hudson Yards that fits in with the rest of the city. It's its own distinct district, rather than an extension of Midtown.
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Vornado's 15 Penn was supposed to be around 1,250' and was to be 68 stories. Floor count does not mean much.

Anyway, in light of Tishman's statements re: timelines, I suspect that they are in advanced talks with a tenant. This will be around NY's 18th supertall! Only in NY, the skyscraper king!

1. Nordstrom
2. 432 Park
3. Steinway
4. 1 WTC
5. Tishman
6. One Vanderbilt
7. ESB
8. Verre
9. equinox
10. Girasole
11. 22 Thames
12. 3 WTC
13. 30 HY
14. Chrysler
15. 80 South St
16. Cetra Tower,
17. One 57,
18. 514 11th, etc., etc.!
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Vornado's 15 Penn was supposed to be around 1,250' and was to be 68 stories. Floor count does not mean much.

Anyway, in light of Tishman's statements re: timelines, I suspect that they are in advanced talks with a tenant. This will be around NY's 18th supertall! Only in NY, the skyscraper king!

1. Nordstrom
2. 432 Park
3. Steinway
4. 1 WTC
5. Tishman
6. One Vanderbilt
7. ESB
8. Verre
9. equinox
10. Girasole
11. 22 Thames
12. 3 WTC
13. 30 HY
14. Chrysler
15. 80 South St
16. Cetra Tower,
17. One 57,
18. 514 11th, etc., etc.!
According to Hunser's famed list, this should be about #31. New York with 31 supertalls *drools* And then there might be 1 or 2 proposals across the Hudson that make it to fruition. By the time I die, I want New York's nickname to be "City of 100 Supertalls"
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