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Old July 8th, 2014, 02:13 AM   #721
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Frankly with just 61 floors it's rather unlikely it will even reach 1400ft without some huge spire.
Agreed. I suspect this will be in 1100 foot range but will be a very striking building architectually or will contain some large scale service/retail element at the base hence the price tag.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:05 AM   #722
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Yeah, that's what I meant by "fat". Hopefully that is not the case.

I'm sorry, but there is no such thing anymore as a "truly iconic" tower that does not exceed 1500-1600ft. I'm of the opinion that height and design are directly related when speaking of "iconic". Iconic towers become that way because they can be seen from nearly every vantage point of the skyline. They have their own presence.
Something becoming an icon simply means it becomes a symbol of something else... like a city. So height really helps but it's not impossible to make something iconic without breaking the height plateau. That being said this building wont be iconic. Infact I think on this forum we have much to high of hopes for this design. Their choice of height indicates to me a very utilitarian approach... Function over style.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:25 AM   #723
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I'm hoping the reference to 61 floors is a typo, that it's more like 70 floors, which could get us to 1,400-1,450 ft. to roof, and and extra 150-200 ft for crown/ spire of which some sort I definitely believe Tishman will have for this tower. Things have changed before so until there is something more definitive from Tishman people personally I still hold out that the floor count could change.

Lol, I know Curbed had it but NOTHING in YIMBY which shocks me... they'd ordinarily be on it first! Would love for him to add his perspective... if it ain't on YIMBY it ain't official!
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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:40 AM   #724
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One Vanderbilt, having 67 floors yet being 1'350' got me thinking back to SHoP's proposal for the new penn station. The tower the proposed was huge but it had very large floor plates and the tower eventually worked it's way into a crown/spire that added a lot of height to the building but not too many floors it looked like. It's definitely not going to be this but maybe something in this vein of style.

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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:48 AM   #725
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61 floors is an estimate.

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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:53 AM   #726
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Honestly, 61 floors reaching anywhere close to 1300' would require such a large amount of crown/spire on top that I would just prefer a real building.

Sad that this signature tower that "could have rivaled the Burj Khalifa" etc. that one article said is just going to be another NY building.

A big let down for NY and the US, opportunities like this don't come very often.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:55 AM   #727
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People just like to speak negatively about NY. Ah -- schadenfreud!
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Old July 8th, 2014, 05:09 AM   #728
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People just like to speak negatively about NY. Ah -- schadenfreud!

No people speak negatively of developers and news articles who plan huge proposals only to cut them down drastically. Seems to be a common occurrence here. I can hardly take any NY proposals too seriously anymore.

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Old July 8th, 2014, 06:01 AM   #729
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No people speak negatively of developers and news articles who plan huge proposals only to cut them down drastically. Seems to be a common occurrence here. I can hardly take any NY proposals too seriously anymore. We all love and always will love NYC.

I think you have a bad case of selective memory... common occurrences??? Can't take NY proposals seriously??? I don't really want to make your comments appear ridiculous at all, but it's a bit asinine. Respectfully.

Have you heard of the Steinway, 22 Thames, One Vanderbilt, One57, 35 Hudson Yards, 15 Hudson Yards, 3 Hudson Boulevard, 30 Park Place, 50 West Street, 41 East 22nd & 520 West 41st Street etc etc.???

So just to get your facts straight, was the Hudson Spire a real proposal to begin with??? This site had been marketed to show its full potential by the seller and it's up to the buyer what they want to build on it. As of now btw, we still don't know what the height is going to be. There was no doubt that this plot would get snapped up quickly because of its prime location in the a Hudson Yards. So we knew that plot would have a real proposal eventually.

The only fact that we know now is that this tower will have approximately 61 floors and this will be freakin expensive that would be expected to complete in 4 years.

And if tomorrow they decide to announce that the height will be 1,200'. In your mind they down sized it when there were no actual proposal before it? Feel free to not take NYC proposals seriously & please do carry on.

As for my stance! I'm in a wait and see mode until more details emerges for this project. It is clear they may have a tenant already lined up and they plan something pretty damn special for this project. Looking forward what kind of supertall this with a price tag of $3.2 B will yield.

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Old July 8th, 2014, 06:21 AM   #730
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I'm honestly pretty disappointed. I'm usually willing to sacrifice hight for design, but you can build a beautiful tower anywhere and very rarely are you given a chance to reach 2,000 feet.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 06:42 AM   #731
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^ I can totally understand that. I'm a bit disappointed with this initial 61 floor figure. Just have to keep in mind all figures are subject to change especially this early in the process. Hell...even late in the ball game in extra innings the figures can change. While 1800' was a pipe dream of mine for this development I knew it would be unrealistic. I was hoping for at least 1500'. Now i will be ecstatic with 1300' figure.

With a $3.2B price tag regardless of the height it just better be a supertall with a great design. If either doesn't happen I will be seriously 1 unhappy hombre. Lol

A missed opportunity to build an iconic super duper tall?? True, but there is a great chance this could still be considered the jewel of the Yards & hope to see some kind of revealing soon.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 06:46 AM   #732
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Only in NYC, the skyscraper capital, lads!

Think about how Manhattan will be transformed in a few years:

1. Nordstrom 1,450+

2. Steinway 1,398
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3. One Vanderbilt 1,350



4. One WTC 1,350



5. Hudson Spire 1,300+

6. Time Warner 1,225



7. 3 WTC 1,150



8. Equinox 1,100


9. Silverstein's 514 11th 1,100+


10. Girasole 1,050




11. Verre


12. 22 Thames 1,000+

13. 80 South St 1,000'

14. Cetra Ruddy's UES tower 1,000+

15. 220 CPS 950'




16. 101 Murray 950'


17. 4 wtc

18. 30 Park Place 930'

[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.************/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTN8qoU3FDT5an8EXerbc28xazG_0ZjeuswSiGignKI2FcuI2_R[/IMG]

19. 15 Hudson Yards 911'



20. 56 Leonard



21. Coach 905'


In addition, the following supertalls should be under construction within 5 years:

22. 2 WTC
23. One Manhattan West
24. Park Lane
25. 31 W 57th
26. McCourt's 360 Tenth


This is just what we currently know about for 950' or more!

This doesn't even take into account buildings in the 700' to 800' range, such as:

27. 41 E 22nd;


28. 250 E 57th;

29. The Roseland Tower;

30. The new Shangri-La on Lex;

31. Baccarat;

32. The new Stern Tower on E 60th

33, JDS' twin towers by Shop near the UN

34. Rodgers' new Park Avenue tower;

35. Moinian's new 42nd St tower;

36. Extell's new 10th Ave tower, etc., etc.

37. Chinese Lantern on 11th



38. 50 West Street

39. New Tomes Sq Marriott

Lastly, there are scores in the 500 foot range, including, but not limited to:

40. 400 Park Ave South

41. BIG Pyramid

42. 7 Bryant Park

43. 20 West 40, etc., etc.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 06:47 AM   #733
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sometimes heights increase or decrease according to demand. Also, developers and marketers love to hype up their holdings. It happens in China too, more frequently given its growth. I think Zorg calls these companies 'troll developers' or something like that.
let's not forget that NYC is still on fire, height is a bit irrelevant if you ask me. After all, there are at least 20 supertall proposals for Manhattan at the moment.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 06:52 AM   #734
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Ummm One WTC is not 1,350ft... it's 1,368 to the parapet and 1,776 to spire. 3 WTC is 1,170ft.
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let's not forget that NYC is still on fire, height is a bit irrelevant if you ask me. After all, there are at least 20 supertall proposals for Manhattan at the moment.
And they'll all get built!
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Old July 8th, 2014, 07:07 AM   #737
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I think we all need to take a big breath cause until the there's a crane on site, there can be any kind of design change so there's no need to speculate about what's getting built; all we got is a floor count which could easily change.
It does appear that it will be in the 1400 ft range, but at this point I'm like "so what?", there are more than enough supertalls going up in the city to keep us busy and that's one more to join the ranks. In fact supertall seems to be an average size skyscraper in NYC these days.
One point where I do agree with some of you guys is that I wish there was some sort of peek among HY supertalls and I hoped the spire would deliver that. But again we still don't know what's getting built.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 08:45 AM   #738
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Honestly, 61 floors reaching anywhere close to 1300' would require such a large amount of crown/spire on top that I would just prefer a real building.

Sad that this signature tower that "could have rivaled the Burj Khalifa" etc. that one article said is just going to be another NY building.

A big let down for NY and the US, opportunities like this don't come very often.
Agreed. Now that 2,000 ft dream is in the hands of the other Spire..
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Old July 8th, 2014, 12:27 PM   #739
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Ummm One WTC is not 1,350ft... it's 1,368 to the parapet and 1,776 to spire. 3 WTC is 1,170ft.
He probably meant 2WTC. That one is 1,350ft and the plot is in the same photo he posted for 1WTC. An honest mistake.
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Agreed. Now that 2,000 ft dream is in the hands of the other Spire..
I doubt you'll find many NYC forumers cheering for that Spire tho

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