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Old July 8th, 2014, 01:07 PM   #741
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I doubt you'll find many NYC forumers cheering for that Spire tho

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Why? I don't think everyone here is as biased as some few. I honestly don't care where it's build as long as it is world class icon as it is going to be if build
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Old July 8th, 2014, 01:17 PM   #742
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Agreed. Now that 2,000 ft dream is in the hands of the other Spire..
That's truly a dream, Don Quixote,
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Old July 8th, 2014, 01:36 PM   #743
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Such a price tag for a 1300(?) tower!? Are rebars gonna be in gold?What kind of exclusive design could justify that!?.....Probably Calatrava is gonna be the architect,that's why!
In China,Dubai,wherever you want,you have three 2000f babies for 3.2b....
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Old July 8th, 2014, 01:40 PM   #744
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Only in NYC, the skyscraper capital, lads!

Think about how Manhattan will be transformed in a few years:

1. Nordstrom 1,450+

2. Steinway 1,398
[IM]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5343/10160702843_27a790e782_b.jpg[/IMG]

3. One Vanderbilt 1,350

[IM]http://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/One-Vanderbilt-Massing.jpg[/IMG]

4. One WTC 1,350

[IM]http://www.glassfiles.com/sites/default/files/One-world-trade-centre%20_high_res.jpg[/IMG]

5. Hudson Spire 1,300+

6. Time Warner 1,225

[IM]http://content.related.com/hyimages/hudson-yards-nyc-aerial-sunset-looking-west-dv-113012.jpg[/IMG]

7. 3 WTC 1,150

[IM]http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/146959905/original.jpg[/IMG]

8. Equinox 1,100
[IM]http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/153727076/original.jpg[/IMG]

9. Silverstein's 514 11th 1,100+


10. Girasole 1,050

[IM]http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/53ac8988f92ea15905005768/Screen-Shot-2014-06-26-at-4.55.40-PM.jpg[/IMG]


11. Verre
[IM]http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/154871458/original.jpg[/IMG]

12. 22 Thames 1,000+

13. 80 South St 1,000'

14. Cetra Ruddy's UES tower 1,000+

15. 220 CPS 950'

[IM]http://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/220cps5.jpg[/IMG]


16. 101 Murray 950'
[IM]http://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/101-Murray-Street-3.jpg[/IMG]

17. 4 wtc

18. 30 Park Place 930'

[IM]https://encrypted-tbn1.************/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTN8qoU3FDT5an8EXerbc28xazG_0ZjeuswSiGignKI2FcuI2_R[/IMG]

19. 15 Hudson Yards 911'

[IM]http://content.related.com/HYImages/hudson-yards-nyc-living-here-15-hudson-yards-11th-avenue-view-dv-dsrdr-092012.jpg[/IMG]

20. 56 Leonard

[IM]http://56leonardtribeca.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/56-leonard.jpg[/IMG]

21. Coach 905'
[IM]http://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/original6.jpg[/IMG]

In addition, the following supertalls should be under construction within 5 years:

22. 2 WTC
23. One Manhattan West
24. Park Lane
25. 31 W 57th
26. McCourt's 360 Tenth


This is just what we currently know about for 950' or more!

This doesn't even take into account buildings in the 700' to 800' range, such as:

27. 41 E 22nd;
[IM]http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/156421135/original.jpg[/IMG]

28. 250 E 57th;

29. The Roseland Tower;

30. The new Shangri-La on Lex;

31. Baccarat;

32. The new Stern Tower on E 60th

33, JDS' twin towers by Shop near the UN

34. Rodgers' new Park Avenue tower;

35. Moinian's new 42nd St tower;

36. Extell's new 10th Ave tower, etc., etc.

37. Chinese Lantern on 11th

[IM]http://therealdeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/470-11th.jpg[/IMG]

38. 50 West Street

39. New Tomes Sq Marriott

Lastly, there are scores in the 500 foot range, including, but not limited to:

40. 400 Park Ave South

41. BIG Pyramid

42. 7 Bryant Park

43. 20 West 40, etc., etc.
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You ever hear that analogy about the moon landing? How the Soviet Union landed on it first, sent probes and photographed it and all that jazz. Yet it the Americans who put a man on it first and only? This is compared to the Soviets making out with the 10 most beautiful girls at prom, but the USA ******* the prom queen in the back seat of a Camaro? Which one would you rather do?

New York can have all the tall buildings it wants. It can have hundreds if not thousands of supertall skyscrapers of every shape and size. But Dubai is ******* that prom queen, not New York.

And listing all the supertalls that NY has, in a commiseratory fashion, in a 'no wait guys, we've got all these beautiful women to make out with', smacks of desperation.

This is exactly why you should wait for more concrete information before rushing to put 549m in a thread title based on rumours and speculation.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 02:43 PM   #745
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When I read comments like that , I think of the song "Edelweiss," but I substitute "schadenfreude."
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Old July 8th, 2014, 03:36 PM   #746
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The city is experiencing a massive boom, even greater than the one in the 1920s/30s.
What's still missing is a real signature tower. The limit for residential towers seems to be around 1,400ft, same with office towers. Just take a look at the Hudson Yards: we are getting a plateau of supertalls, but none will really stick out.
Some figures (to the roof):
- Hudson Spire, ~1,200ft
- 30 Hudson Yards, 1227ft
- Silverstein's 520 West 41st Street, 1100ft
- 50 Hudson Yards, 1070ft
- The Girasole, 1050ft
- 35 Hudson Yards, 1000ft (likely to exceed 1,100ft).
- Manhattan West Towers, both ~1,000ft

And not to mention the countless 900, 800 and especially 700 footers. This is all very good, but that part of the skyline won't have a real peak. What the city needs is a solid 1,600 - 1,700 foot tall tower to the roof, topped out by a nice spire. That would be the icing on the cake.

Furthermore there will be another plateau: 57th street.
Some figures (to the roof):
- 217 West 57th Street, 1424ft
- 432 Park Avenue, 1397ft
- 111 West 57th Street, 1350ft
- Shvo Central Park Tower, ~1,300ft
- One57, 1,005ft
- 220 CPS, ~1,000ft

Again, no real peak. And funny enough, 1WTC and 2WTC are very close in height too. I know that I'm spoiled. But still, the city desperately needs a tower which will soar above all the others. The Hudson Spire is / was a great opportunity to achieve that.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:02 PM   #747
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The city is experiencing a massive boom, even greater than the one in the 1920s/30s.
What's still missing is a real signature tower.
I don't think it would have been wise to throw a tower the size it was advertised in an area that already has dozens of millions of square feet in development. If the boom continues, the signature tower will come, no doubt about it, and in less than a decade. But it will be in a different, less saturated area. Free market economies don't do entire "build it and they will come" CBDs like they do in planned economies. There's no central authority refunding the billions you invested if things don't go as planned.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:24 PM   #748
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200 Greenwich is 60 floors, and will be 1,349'.

http://www.wtc.com/about/office-tower-2
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Old July 8th, 2014, 04:58 PM   #749
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This is exactly why you should wait for more concrete information before rushing to put 549m in a thread title based on rumours and speculation.
549m was a legitimate advertised height, not "rumors and speculation"
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Old July 8th, 2014, 05:09 PM   #750
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It was a legitimately advertised possibility, by the owners of the parcel to future developers, about what could be built there someday if they had the will. It was essentially an absolute maximum and was never realistic.
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Old July 8th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #751
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so great building, in my country is has any building like that
http://skinfoodhanquoc.com/thefaceshop/35949.html
http://skinfoodhanquoc.com/iope/1167398.html
http://skinfoodhanquoc.com/laneige/1128953.html

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Old July 8th, 2014, 08:08 PM   #752
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I think it would look best if it were built around 57th street to give midtown a more prominent peak and accentuate the difference between midtown and downtown even more. But it will still have a positive impact on the skyline regardless of where it's built, I'm sure.

Also, I really hope Calatrava is NOT the architect (and thankfully there are no signs pointing to this as of now).
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Old July 8th, 2014, 08:32 PM   #753
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Such a price tag for a 1300(?) tower!? Are rebars gonna be in gold?What kind of exclusive design could justify that!?.....Probably Calatrava is gonna be the architect,that's why!
In China,Dubai,wherever you want,you have three 2000f babies for 3.2b....
Well you have to remember the huge discrepancy in the cost of labor between China/Dubai and the US. On top of that, building a skyscraper to LEED certification is super expensive; as is large, high-end retail and Class A office space. Probably most expensive of all will be the residential component -- if the tower is going to compete with Billionaire's Row, it's going to require the highest-end cladding materials and interior finishes imaginable. Think about 432 Park: every one of those 10x10 windows is insanely expensive; plus they hand picked the finest marble in the world for the interiors -- it all adds up.

The residential component could also include a large proportion of double-height units, which are increasingly becoming the norm, and that would stretch the height further than we're currently predicting.

But even if that's not the case, given the price tag, it's safe to expect something spectacular here, if not as tall as some of us might have hoped.

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Also, I really hope Calatrava is NOT the architect (and thankfully there are no signs pointing to this as of now).
I don't expect Calatrava to get much more work in New York after the Transportation Hub ran so ludicrously over budget.

Still, could be fun to debate who the best firm would be for this tower would be? I wouldn't be upset to see SHoP continue their dominant run in NY and get the bid; Foster could do something really nice, keeping with the industrial history of the area; KPF could potentially make the design purposefully coherent with their other towers in the Hudson Yards... but then, I don't think the main group of HY towers is particularly coherent.

I would love love love for Zaha Hadid to get a shot at this, after she lost the bid for 425 Park. Or Annabelle Selldorf, whose mystery FiDi concept was a thing of beauty.
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200 Greenwich is 60 floors, and will be 1,349'.

http://www.wtc.com/about/office-tower-2
It has about 60 office floors, the total floor count is over 70-75 or something but they say "88"
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I would love love love for Zaha Hadid to get a shot at this, after she lost the bid for 425 Park. Or Annabelle Selldorf, whose mystery FiDi concept was a thing of beauty.
I certainly wouldn't mind a 400m+ version of this ...



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Zaha hadid doesn't deserve working in New york or any city with a rich history.
She's probably ok for Doha,Dubai or Astana;New York is a kind of architecture museum and doesn't need flashy buildings that only pay homage to the ego of their designer.
Annabelle Selldorf is amazing of course.SHOP would probably do a great job...
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It has about 60 office floors, the total floor count is over 70-75 or something but they say "88"
The total floor count may be claimed to be 70 because 4 of the floors are trading floors with high ceilings. My point is that the number if floors means nothing. Since Tishman bought this site, those in the know predicted a tower of between 350 and 425m. The 61 floor figure does not change that, as demonstrated by 15 Penn, 1 Vandy, and 200 Greenwich.

Lastly, tishman stated that the 61 floors are an approximate figure.
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The total floor count may be claimed to be 70 because 4 of the floors are trading floors with high ceilings. My point is that the number if floors means nothing. Since Tishman bought this site, those in the know predicted a tower of between 350 and 425m. The 61 floor figure does not change that, as demonstrated by 15 Penn, 1 Vandy, and 200 Greenwich.

Lastly, tishman stated that the 61 floors are an approximate figure.
Right but like I said, for a signature tower it would be nice to have actual occupied space past 400m, 61 floors would go to maybe 300 meters or so plus an architectural element or whatever.

The media really hyped this up, as well as Tishman saying they would build something iconic and very tall "Rivaling the buildings in Asia". We now know it won't be very tall but the design could still be somewhat iconic.

Floor count doesn't mean everything of course but it's very unlikely that a 61 floor building would even pass the roof height of ESB with a spire or crown or whatever and here we were assuming that it would likely be higher than 1WTC.
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The total floor count may be claimed to be 70 because 4 of the floors are trading floors with high ceilings. My point is that the number if floors means nothing. Since Tishman bought this site, those in the know predicted a tower of between 350 and 425m. The 61 floor figure does not change that, as demonstrated by 15 Penn, 1 Vandy, and 200 Greenwich. Lastly, tishman stated that the 61 floors are an approximate figure.
Bingo!! Great point and I totally agree!! That figure means nothing. l

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Right but like I said, for a signature tower it would be nice to have actual occupied space past 400m, 61 floors would go to maybe 300 meters or so plus an architectural element or whatever.

The media really hyped this up, as well as Tishman saying they would build something iconic and very tall "Rivaling the buildings in Asia". We now know it won't be very tall but the design could still be somewhat iconic.

Floor count doesn't mean everything of course but it's very unlikely that a 61 floor building would even pass the roof height of ESB with a spire or crown or whatever and here we were assuming that it would likely be higher than 1WTC.
A 400m tower with a great design would be iconic.
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