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Old December 27th, 2014, 07:21 AM   #901
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Those Americans and their funny measurement systems.
The rest of the world is out of step.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 06:13 PM   #902
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The rest of the world is out of step.
some fraction of a step i imagine
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Old December 27th, 2014, 06:33 PM   #903
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I would be surprised if they hit 1400 ft. 2.5 million sq ft is enough to hit that hieght I think that's about the amount of 2wtc. However 2wtc is planned for a significantly smaller parcel of land.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 07:36 PM   #904
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The official wtc website has 2wtc at 3.1 million sq ft. Not sure why everything else is ~2.5 million though
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:23 PM   #905
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I would be surprised if they hit 1400 ft. 2.5 million sq ft is enough to hit that hieght I think that's about the amount of 2wtc. However 2wtc is planned for a significantly smaller parcel of land.
It could easily surpass 1,500'. 1 Vanderbit is over 1,400' at 1.6m sf. Nonetheless, I think it will be 1,250 to 1,300', as I think it will contain a huge retail base.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:25 PM   #906
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The official wtc website has 2wtc at 3.1 million sq ft. Not sure why everything else is ~2.5 million though
~2.5 million of office and the rest (mechanical, retail, etc) make up ~3.1 million figure.
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Old December 28th, 2014, 08:11 AM   #907
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It could easily surpass 1,500'. 1 Vanderbit is over 1,400' at 1.6m sf. Nonetheless, I think it will be 1,250 to 1,300', as I think it will contain a huge retail base.
It may be to the roof, but if Tishman Speyer really wants some added prestige they add a significant crown or spire, get it to 1,500 ft or higher.
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Old December 29th, 2014, 12:50 PM   #908
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JIAMING & TISHMAN SPEYER PARTNERSHIP IN MANHATTAN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT

2014-10-22

"JIAMING signed a partnership agreement with well-known U.S.-based global real estate developer Tishman Speyer on 23 July 2014. Both parties will co-invest in the 509 West 34th Street Development Site in the Hudson Yards district of Manhattan. The total investment in the entire project is projected to be approximately USD3.2Bn, approximately equal to RMB19.6Bn.

The 509 West 34th Street Development Site is situated in the Hudson Yards district with a site area of 6,266sqm (67,451 square feet) and a plot ratio of 33.0. A 265,000sqm (2.85 million square foot) office tower is planned for delivery beginning in Q4 2019.

The 509 West 34th Street Development is the 2nd largest development in the western Hudson Yards district by development area. The site’s large footprint provides flexibility to design a highly efficient building that offers tenants large, open floor plates as well as sweeping views of Midtown Manhattan and the Hudson River. Additionally, the site will offer build-to-suit opportunities to a diverse group of companies, attracting branded tenants in the pre-leasing market...."
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Old December 30th, 2014, 01:06 AM   #909
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Old December 30th, 2014, 01:08 AM   #910
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2.85 msf?? waaaah?

If that's not counting retail we got ourselves another 1WTC, perhaps taller.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #911
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Awesome! Seems there will be no worries about financing here.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 08:53 PM   #912
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They clearly have a tenant in mind. JPMC and Salesforce are the most likely candidates.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 09:53 PM   #913
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I think somewhere in the 1,400' neighborhood is realistic to the roof. Maybe they will decide to stick a spire on top and that would really make this tower stand out amongst the giants in the Hudson Yards.

Then this development would truly deserve the name "Hudson Spire"
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Old December 30th, 2014, 10:43 PM   #914
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I think somewhere in the 1,400' neighborhood is realistic to the roof. Maybe they will decide to stick a spire on top and that would really make this tower stand out amongst the giants in the Hudson Yards.

Then this development would truly deserve the name "Hudson Spire"

I would be happy with that. 1,400 to the roof would stand out.

The Spire: 1,400 feet +/- ????

30 Hudson Yards: 1,284 feet
50 Hudson Yards: 1,068 feet?
3 Hudson Boulevard: 1,050 feet
35 Hudson Yards: 1,000 feet?
Manhattan West Tower: 995 feet
15 Hudson Yards: 914 feet
10 Hudson Yards: 895 feet
55 Hudson Yards: 780 feet
Three Manhattan West: 704 feet

Then you have the other Manhattan West tower and 360 10th Avenue.

It is truly amazing that we are seeing a brand new CBD being built in the nation's largest and most important city.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #915
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It could easily surpass 1,500'. 1 Vanderbit is over 1,400' at 1.6m sf. Nonetheless, I think it will be 1,250 to 1,300', as I think it will contain a huge retail base.
This is quite a bit bigger plot than 1 Vanderbilt... This is a Chicago sized piece of land here. Here is a little math to illustrate.

If they only used half of the site area 67,451 sq ft for ever single floor we are talking like 85 floors.

Let's say there are 13 ft ceilings per floor we are at about 1100 ft.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 11:16 PM   #916
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It could be 1,100, but I'm guessing it will be around 1,350. The trend in NY is tall.
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Old December 31st, 2014, 12:54 AM   #917
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I agree with Robert but think it could possibly go higher (depending on how big the plot of land is).

I'm not sure if that new 2.85 msf figure is accurate but let's assume it is and not including retail etc. It's very unlikely to be below say 350 meters to the roof and potentially could be over 400 even without an architectural element. I know they want their tower to be special and stand out so I think we will get something pretty amazing.

EDIT: Apparently the land plot is big, hopefully the tower isn't too fat. :/
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Old December 31st, 2014, 05:46 AM   #918
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Well looking at Spyre's portfolio of properties it seems they go after iconic buildings, though they have never built them. They own many iconic buildings in midtown and I am sure they wouldn't mind owning the second most iconic behind ESB of course. I think they bought this sight intending to build something tall possibly even breaking 1,500' to the roof though I am expecting something closer to 1,400'.
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Old December 31st, 2014, 06:09 AM   #919
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Wouldn't it be fun to get a contemporary Deco beast in Midtown?
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Old December 31st, 2014, 06:35 AM   #920
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